TOPIC: The Value of ingredients - Discussion

So George.. as someone else who traded to acquire a lot of ingredients... do you feel 100GP is a good price to offer the casual player for their ingredients? Or do you think new players should be told their ingredients are worth closer to 250? Or more?

I am leery of giving out a price and then having players come back to me and say "No one will give me 250 gp for this token. Are they all trying to rip me off? or were you lying?" At the same time, I want players to know that there is some trade value to the ingredients. It's frustrating to see new players make a nice treasure pull and hear them say "Aw, all I got was a stupid antenna again. Useless!"

George wrote: Raven,
I think folks just keep them. I often have folks walk up with bag of tokens (in many cases wooden and plastic tokens) and ask "is anything in there you would want?". Many times, I would find a couple of out of date ingredients in their stash. In previous years, I would sadly tell them the old ingredients were not worth anything. This year I have finally been able to offer them something for old ingredients.

My fear is there will be very few golden fleece needed each year, and the market for old ingredients will dry up. I still have a lot left over from 2008 (which shows the basic danger of trading for ingredients) that I am need
to get rid of for golden fleece.

George I traded you 10 ingredients for 1000GPs..I am a heavy trader and I thought it was a fair deal..you never know what ingredients are going to be worth more (creeper thorn)

I guess I fall into that 1%.
My logic for using an ingredient is this:
Will the ingredient be needed for a 4C?
If no, then use it instead of gold as gold has year after year value.

With the introduction of the Golden Fleece, until we discover what the requirement of Relics are, I only know of two uses of the GF - Ring of Supreme Elemental Mastery, and the completed Rod of 7 Parts. So I made sure I saved enough trophies to make 2 GF.

So while I see the perspective of the fair price for a trophy being 100GP, I think it's more valuable than that, if we are talking about a "current year" trophy (past years is a different story all together)

As in years past (though not the last two) a monster trophy was more than just gold, for 2007-2009 it was Gold and some trophy.

2010 saw us get away from that formula, and got us the straight gold for trophy play.

What it all means is, depending on the powers that be, the design of the future Combo Items has precedence to go back to being Gold and an Item or stay as it is as straight gold. And the price is still fluctuating. 2010 was 30,60,250gp where as 2011 was 40, 80, 250gp

So what will 2012 hold? It could be 50,100, 250 and then the price of 100GP while fair in the past, does not hold true. It could be 40+X,80+Y,250+Z and now its even more valuable.

At this stage of the year, I see the only fair price of a "Current" trophy is another "Current" trophy.

You could argue that those ingredients from Dragon's Redoubt are more valuable than those found in Sea Lich as there were 1/3 as many runs and only 2/5 of the possible ingredients and I could see that arguement hold sway. But I for one do not know what % of each treasure chest was Trophies.

As for older ingredients, where there is no 4C usage, I can see the price of 100 GP holding true as the time of their value being up has come and gone, and now they are either collectable items or fodder for the Golden Fleece.

Anyway, my 2CP.

I can't imagine 100 GP will ever be a bad buy. You might not make money off of it if you're slow or unlucky, but you'll never lose on it either. Even now, older ingredients are commonly swapped for 100GP or more as people fill gaps in their collections and whatnot. At best, it's the jackpot and right after combos are announced you offload for $20+ a pop.

Raven,
I still think 100 GP is a reasonable price to pay for ingredients . But I am working a long winded answer that might explain it better to those folks who have a different opinion.

Drafts? Just shoot from the hip. It's more interesting that way.

Just remember, WWHD.

henwy wrote: Drafts? Just shoot from the hip. It's more interesting that way.

That how we got into that disagreement couple of years ago, me firing back from the hip. I may be slow but I do learn. You are a great teacher.

Yeah, but if you consider the fact that I don't even remember the incident now, I'd say it's safe for you to give it another go.

I agree with Henwy. Fire away. Remember, there is no 2nd prize in a gunfight.

Rafiq

Rafiq wrote: I agree with Henwy. Fire away. Remember, there is no 2nd prize in a gunfight.

Rafiq

Sure there is!!! You get a beautifully engraved, solid granite marker, complete with profound sayings , or fond remembrances. And you don't even have to pay for it.

After spending more time than I want to admit thinking about this question and trying to convince folks of my opinion, it finally stuck me this is a perfect example of why price ranges (as opposed to specific prices) can be very helpful.


Given the level of disagreement, I think "new ingredients" deserve a wide range of values.

I would like to propose that for "new ingredients" (those that we lack any price history) we list them in the price guide as: 100 - 300 GP.

George wrote: After spending more time than I want to admit thinking about this question and trying to convince folks of my opinion, it finally stuck me this is a perfect example of why price ranges (as opposed to specific prices) can be very helpful.


Given the level of disagreement, I think "new ingredients" deserve a wide range of values.

I would like to propose that for "new ingredients" (those that we lack any price history) we list them in the price guide as: 100 - 300 GP.

It seems to me that both ends of that price range are too low. I think that the value of new ingredient tokens is far higher than 100 GP at the low end - I'll pay 200 GP apiece for any new ingredient tokens anyone has, and I doubt anyone will take me up on that offer. And new tokens have so far sold for as much as $30 each, so the upper end of that price range is closer to 1000 GP.