TOPIC: Condensed Treasure for 2026 VTD?

I really like this idea, even if I don't regularly get full treasure pulls. The fact that I have only been doing transmutes for a year, but have already gone through a 90-count box of snack baggies bothers me.

Great idea! I won’t use it the first few VTD until I complete the set, but then I will every time.

It sounds promising, but can we get some possible examples as to how a condensed treasure pack might look like?

Ben Krupa wrote: It sounds promising, but can we get some possible examples as to how a condensed treasure pack might look like?

My understanding is it would be like your normal 27 treasure pulls but no rares or uncommons, but more trade goods. So you still have legendary, relic, ultra rares, monster trophies, treasure boxes rares, etc. at basically the same rate as before. Just more trade goods.

Corey Pressler wrote:

Ben Krupa wrote: It sounds promising, but can we get some possible examples as to how a condensed treasure pack might look like?

My understanding is it would be like your normal 27 treasure pulls but no rares or uncommons, but more trade goods. So you still have legendary, relic, ultra rares, monster trophies, treasure boxes rares, etc. at basically the same rate as before. Just more trade goods.

No “standard pack rares” is the way I read it. Chase rares like the Stalker set would still be included is my take.

I like the Rare's and Uncommons because I use them for my lower end builds and also use them to fill out my collections so I won't be taking this option. There are also good consumable Uncommons and Rares (Potions, Runestones, Scrolls, Ammo, etc.) that I like getting which I use in the dungeons.

A few thoughts on how this impacts the overall cycle of treasure pulls and trade goods:

1. I love this idea on its face as I do not collect the set and (with few exceptions) mulch everything.

2. This will impact the overall trade good economy for players and that includes the balance of trade goods in recipes. To that end, I think it’s important that the transmute recipes are representative of the ratio of trade goods (ie if I need the trade goods for a legendary I should be able to reasonably math out the average number of runs I need to do). It would be frustrating to need 10 runs for all of the TG1’s but 30 runs for all of the TG2’s, which would create a massive imbalance without another way to use the unneeded excess.

3. This has the potential to standardize the amount of specific items in the year’s collection (ie there needs to be 8 EB uncommons every year, 12 common weapons and 12 common armor or some such)

4. For treasure box only items that aren’t typically mulched, I assume the ratio of them in the new mix would stay the same as the general mix, or if not, can that be communicated so players can make the best choice for themselves? Example: “I really want to pull a relic or UR so I don’t want condensed because they’re not in there.”

5. One other potential recommendation to ensure that TD recognizes cost savings along with this decision: If someone would receive a medium flat rate or larger their loot is automatically condensed to ensure a smaller package.
I’m sure there’s something I’m not thinking about with that potential change so I’m willing to hear the Big Box’ers take on that.

I don't understand 5. It seems like Jeff addressed some of the other questions/concerns.

I'm all in favor of this. Uncommons should have been out of treasure long ago. If people want u/r, they can still get u/r. We waste a lot of resources - not just plastic and shipping costs but things like time - processing the massive amounts of treasure players get.

I like the idea, thank you for making it an option. Question if I go on like 5 runs can I make 4 condensed and 1 non condensed like is the option going to be on a run by run basis?

They said you would get the choice in epilogue, so it seems like you can.

Mike Steele wrote: Jeff, great idea!

Is there a way for the condensed treasure idea also work for the sealed 20 packs of treasure in regular Dungeons?

+1 on this - early in the year, getting 10 packs helps me fill up having a good stock of consumables. Beyond that, anything that isn't a UR gets mulched. Pre-mulching would be a time saver. I normally get 5-10 10 packs each VTD so those definitely add up.

I was remiss in not thanking Marc D for his mad math skillz as well. Thanks Marc D!