TOPIC: VTD Newbie questions

I get the distinct impression that Treasure Enhancers are pretty much a "Must Have"? I hadn't really put much thought into that. Btw, I get the need for everyone to have the charm (CoGF or CoA) because of the synergy benefit. But what is the imperative for the entire group to have the nuggets and beads? Is it just a measure of commitment? Just curious.

Anyway, I had TE's on my list of things to get eventually... after "do not die or embarrass yourself with the group". I suppose I could make that a much higher priority? I do wish that charm wasn't so pricey though.

Greg F wrote: I get the distinct impression that Treasure Enhancers are pretty much a "Must Have"? I hadn't really put much thought into that. Btw, I get the need for everyone to have the charm (CoGF or CoA) because of the synergy benefit. But what is the imperative for the entire group to have the nuggets and beads? Is it just a measure of commitment? Just curious.

Anyway, I had TE's on my list of things to get eventually... after "do not die or embarrass yourself with the group". I suppose I could make that a much higher priority? I do wish that charm wasn't so pricey though.

Having full treasure enhancers results in you receiving more treasure and increases your chances of pulling a more valuable token. Max treasure will generate more tokens that can be used in builds or toward transmuting for trade goods. Trade goods are used to make transmutes. The transmuted tokens are upgrades and follow the recipes in the Token Data Base. Legendary token recipes can be made any time. Relic, Exalted (4*), and Enhanced (3*) recipes come with a final date they can be transmuted.

CoA is Legendary and has several recipes for transmuting it. Nuggets are Ultra Rares and are only available on the secondary market now. Two of the Beads are only available on the secondary market and the third will come out in 2027. Hope this helps you out in understanding the system.

John O (Salsa John)

Hi John, yup... I totally get what/why/how treasure works. But my question was why would one person in a group actually care how many TE's another person in the group had equipped (other than the charm with group synergy)? Perhaps asked a different way, why would a group place a high priority on "full TE's" when looking for people?

Don't get me wrong... I'm totally going to get some. I'm just as big a loot fiend as anyone It's just a matter of what I can afford right now.

Yeah, lots of people chase treasure, but many runs have spare TE's to help out new people, so there's plenty of time to pick yours up. No need to rush out and grab them.

Greg F wrote: Hi John, yup... I totally get what/why/how treasure works. But my question was why would one person in a group actually care how many TE's another person in the group had equipped (other than the charm with group synergy)? Perhaps asked a different way, why would a group place a high priority on "full TE's" when looking for people?

Don't get me wrong... I'm totally going to get some. I'm just as big a loot fiend as anyone It's just a matter of what I can afford right now.

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For me, personally - I had a full group and was providing tokens for people so they could just pay to play (I basically took their money from paying me back for tickets and "invested" that in TEs) and not focus on price of tokens. Then people stopped playing (life and what not) so I have a bunch of extra full sets of TEs which I just loan out to people on runs if they don't have them (so they can get full treasure too versus seeing someone get a bunch and they get 3).

Greg F wrote: I get the distinct impression that Treasure Enhancers are pretty much a "Must Have"? I hadn't really put much thought into that. Btw, I get the need for everyone to have the charm (CoGF or CoA) because of the synergy benefit. But what is the imperative for the entire group to have the nuggets and beads? Is it just a measure of commitment? Just curious.

Anyway, I had TE's on my list of things to get eventually... after "do not die or embarrass yourself with the group". I suppose I could make that a much higher priority? I do wish that charm wasn't so pricey though.

I put max TE in as step 1 in my build recommendations because there are a number of groups that loan them out. If you're offered an extra 20(ish) treasure, but it eats 6 slots in your build, it's generally good to have a plan before you're sitting in the VTD coaching room.

As for the necessity of equipping TEs / must haves? The view here is pretty much in 2 camps - the 'you're wasting money if you aren't running full TEs' vs 'I play for the experience and the treasure doesn't really matter'. In retrospect I maxed out my treasure before really building my character and I wish I had done it the other way around - the extra treasure didn't really mean much and I would have really enjoyed healing more on my runs. I know at least one player that just doesn't equip TEs at all. I also know players who say things like "why would you ever play anything other than rogue, because rogue gets 3 extra rares each run".

People lend out TEs because they think other people will want to use them.

Why do they think that?

It can be a feel bad to get fewer treasure pulls than someone else, perhaps more so when the gap is unusually large.

People tend to think that other people are interested in the same things they are. So, it's natural for people who have chased more treasure will assume that other people will also care about more treasure.

Consider the analogy of someone having infinite 10% off discount coupons for popcorn at the movie theater. Not going to stand around and offer every human who attends a movie a coupon but is going to hand them out to people go to the movie with and very possibly may hand out some to people in line or people nearby while waiting for the movie to start or whatever. Hardly a perfect analogy, where TEs are more akin to discounts on the ticket prices themselves, but whatever.

Endgame wrote:

Greg F wrote: I get the distinct impression that Treasure Enhancers are pretty much a "Must Have"? I hadn't really put much thought into that. Btw, I get the need for everyone to have the charm (CoGF or CoA) because of the synergy benefit. But what is the imperative for the entire group to have the nuggets and beads? Is it just a measure of commitment? Just curious.

Anyway, I had TE's on my list of things to get eventually... after "do not die or embarrass yourself with the group". I suppose I could make that a much higher priority? I do wish that charm wasn't so pricey though.

I put max TE in as step 1 in my build recommendations because there are a number of groups that loan them out. If you're offered an extra 20(ish) treasure, but it eats 6 slots in your build, it's generally good to have a plan before you're sitting in the VTD coaching room.

As for the necessity of equipping TEs / must haves? The view here is pretty much in 2 camps - the 'you're wasting money if you aren't running full TEs' vs 'I play for the experience and the treasure doesn't really matter'. In retrospect I maxed out my treasure before really building my character and I wish I had done it the other way around - the extra treasure didn't really mean much and I would have really enjoyed healing more on my runs. I know at least one player that just doesn't equip TEs at all. I also know players who say things like "why would you ever play anything other than rogue, because rogue gets 3 extra rares each run".

Like Endgame says, it's really just a matter of perspective on what matters. To voice the other side of this: I'm glad we got our TEs first. My partner and I love cracking booster packs from various TCGs. Pulling from the treasure chest or unrolling the 20 stack hits the same dopamine button in our brains. We love the actual adventure, but getting the tokens in the mail afterwards is the juice.

The best part about TD (besides the treasure ) is that it's multi-faceted. You can explore it how you want. Helping people out with gear and TEs feels good, and if you want to chase that vibe, that's an option. If you just want to do big damage and progress your build over time, there's that option too.

I like treasure and making my build better to climb the difficulty ladder. There's so many more ways I can express how to play this game, and none of them are wrong.

These responses are probably more than you bargained for, but it's fun to get into the weeds of "why" every once and a while!

That all makes sense. I guess I was looking at it differently. In fact, the very reason I gave up Magic: The Gathering cold turkey in the late 90's (and haven't ever played since) was because it started to feel like an expensive addiction. So I have definitely felt that dopamine rush before! My plan for TD is probably not to chase treasure to the point where I'm running through adventures multiple times just for loot.

Anyway, thank you all for the perspectives. I think I've got enough flexibility in my build to drop in some loaner tokens up to a point. And I will eventually make an "investment" (heh) in a few TE's.

Greg F wrote: Hi John, yup... I totally get what/why/how treasure works. But my question was why would one person in a group actually care how many TE's another person in the group had equipped (other than the charm with group synergy)? Perhaps asked a different way, why would a group place a high priority on "full TE's" when looking for people?

Don't get me wrong... I'm totally going to get some. I'm just as big a loot fiend as anyone It's just a matter of what I can afford right now.

The True Dungeon community is a very giving community. Those who have extra sets of TE's like to share and see others be successful, upgrading tokens, etc. The people loaning TE's want those borrowing to have a positive run experience.

It also helps in getting group consistency. Adventurers who are working toward CoA like to run with someone who is loaning TE's. This allows them to accelerate their timeline on transmuting for needed or wanted items.

I am also a big believer in karma. What you do and how you act or respond comes back around.

Apologies if my post implied you had to equip treasure enhancers. That's totally up to you. I think others have already stated the various reasons why people want them, but you may be looking at this from a different perspective entirely. You don't have to borrow any tokens. You may just feel comfortable playing with the tokens you own, and that's okay. Normally, the most fun is had when your level of difficulty is close to matching the level of your build. This can be a challenge in random groups (normally called PUGs for Pick Up Group). People lending tokens is one way to try and balance out the power of the group. The other is for people who are overpowered to take some tokens off their build. I'm okay either way, but my experience says that there is always one or two people that misjudge their adjustments and still make combat too easy, especially if we end up playing Hardcore.

As for 3:24pm on Saturday. You have myself and Mongo. We have Mythic builds and will likely need to power down regardless of what other people may borrow. I know two other people in the group whose builds are similar to yours. They've only been playing with us a couple of months and we've done Nightmare level of difficulty. I think they've had fun, because they keep asking to rejoin us. Other than that, I have no idea who the other 5 players might be.

Thanks Dave. No apologies necessary!

As a new player I think I'm just mentally trying to wrap my head around things. I do tend to overthink things sometimes. If anything it's because I'm honestly pretty excited. See you then.