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2024 Rare Token Images < FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 3 weeks ago #13

Matthew Hayward wrote: Scarab Shield is really good (it's -1 AC from the UR Lucky Shield).

That's fine, however I think it would also be fine if it were restricted down to Barbarian, Cleric, Fighters and Paladin (and possibly leave off Barbarian).

Also, maybe this should have wording that you can't equip any different shields, to prevent someone from equipping this in their Ranged Offhand, and the Lucky Shield in their Melee Offhand for +2 to saves.

Many classes can already equip a +2 mug of battle in melee offhand and lucky shield in Ranged offhand, so that horse has already left the barn. No reason to institute a lock in here for only using 1 shield. I do agree it could be class restricted to fighters, Paladin, and Cleric.
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2024 Rare Token Images < FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 3 weeks ago #14

Endgame wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Scarab Shield is really good (it's -1 AC from the UR Lucky Shield).

That's fine, however I think it would also be fine if it were restricted down to Barbarian, Cleric, Fighters and Paladin (and possibly leave off Barbarian).

Also, maybe this should have wording that you can't equip any different shields, to prevent someone from equipping this in their Ranged Offhand, and the Lucky Shield in their Melee Offhand for +2 to saves.

Many classes can already equip a +2 mug of battle in melee offhand and lucky shield in Ranged offhand, so that horse has already left the barn. No reason to institute a lock in here for only using 1 shield. I do agree it could be class restricted to fighters, Paladin, and Cleric.


I think:

The cheeze of equipping a Horn / Mug in offhand in one mode, and a saves boosting shield in another mode.

Iis not as cheezey is equipping two different shields in different modes in order to get two different global shield benefits.

I think a global rule of "if you equip a shield in both your melee and ranged off-hand, it must be the same shield" might be good.
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2024 Rare Token Images < FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 3 weeks ago #15

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Scarab Shield is really good (it's -1 AC from the UR Lucky Shield).

That's fine, however I think it would also be fine if it were restricted down to Barbarian, Cleric, Fighters and Paladin (and possibly leave off Barbarian).

Also, maybe this should have wording that you can't equip any different shields, to prevent someone from equipping this in their Ranged Offhand, and the Lucky Shield in their Melee Offhand for +2 to saves.

Many classes can already equip a +2 mug of battle in melee offhand and lucky shield in Ranged offhand, so that horse has already left the barn. No reason to institute a lock in here for only using 1 shield. I do agree it could be class restricted to fighters, Paladin, and Cleric.


I think:

The cheeze of equipping a Horn / Mug in offhand in one mode, and a saves boosting shield in another mode.

Iis not as cheezey is equipping two different shields in different modes in order to get two different global shield benefits.

I think a global rule of "if you equip a shield in both your melee and ranged off-hand, it must be the same shield" might be good.


+1 that would be a good rule, but I think you would want a carve out to allow Mirrored Archer’s Buckler and similar shields.
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2024 Rare Token Images < FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 3 weeks ago #16

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Scarab Shield is really good (it's -1 AC from the UR Lucky Shield).

That's fine, however I think it would also be fine if it were restricted down to Barbarian, Cleric, Fighters and Paladin (and possibly leave off Barbarian).

Also, maybe this should have wording that you can't equip any different shields, to prevent someone from equipping this in their Ranged Offhand, and the Lucky Shield in their Melee Offhand for +2 to saves.

Many classes can already equip a +2 mug of battle in melee offhand and lucky shield in Ranged offhand, so that horse has already left the barn. No reason to institute a lock in here for only using 1 shield. I do agree it could be class restricted to fighters, Paladin, and Cleric.


I think:

The cheeze of equipping a Horn / Mug in offhand in one mode, and a saves boosting shield in another mode.

Iis not as cheezey is equipping two different shields in different modes in order to get two different global shield benefits.

I think a global rule of "if you equip a shield in both your melee and ranged off-hand, it must be the same shield" might be good.

I don’t see a real distinction between equipping a mug of battle and a lucky shield vs a scarab shield and a lucky shield. The desirable part ( +1 saves) persists in the mug and shield combo.

I doubly don’t see it as desirable that the optimal builds from a mechanical standpoint involve drinkware. I would find it dramatically more desirable to encourage equipping shields, even if they are different ones.
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2024 Rare Token Images < FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 3 weeks ago #17

One possible rule change that would fix the current cheese, is that you can only get non-AC bonuses from either your melee or ranged offhand slot. It is simple to explain and would fix the problem of double dipping.
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2024 Rare Token Images < FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 3 weeks ago #18

OrionW wrote: One possible rule change that would fix the current cheese, is that you can only get non-AC bonuses from either your melee or ranged offhand slot. It is simple to explain and would fix the problem of double dipping.

so a Barbarian with a 2H weapon and ranged shield is fine, be it lucky or redoubt? Since double shields implants the game dramatically less than things like 2 melee attacks, let’s leave it alone.
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2024 Rare Token Images < FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 3 weeks ago #19

Endgame wrote:

OrionW wrote: One possible rule change that would fix the current cheese, is that you can only get non-AC bonuses from either your melee or ranged offhand slot. It is simple to explain and would fix the problem of double dipping.

so a Barbarian with a 2H weapon and ranged shield is fine, be it lucky or redoubt? Since double shields implants the game dramatically less than things like 2 melee attacks, let’s leave it alone.


I don’t see this as a good counterpoint. The barbarian would still only be getting one set bonus. The two handed weapon is not giving the barbarian more stats or bonuses than any other class. A bit more damage yes (though this is debatable with the new UR one handed sword) at the expense of some AC.
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2024 Rare Token Images < FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 3 weeks ago #20

"+1 Mystic Staff of the Serpent" more like "+1 Mystic Staff of Jafar" :) :) :)

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2024 Rare Token Images < FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 3 weeks ago #21

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Very nice. Very nice indeed.

I like the tokens which give extra boosts to specific classes. They're still a good choice for any new player who might find them in their 10-pack, but could encourage trading or even influence class selection to optimize builds which benefit most from them.

My brain says we've already had a "Gloves of the Raider" (Raider Gloves?) ... I may have missed some of the previous conversation around the tokens, but wouldn't it make sense to call these something else, like "Treasure Finding Gloves", or "Gloves of Looting" ? Something more in line with the other Tokens of Treasure Finding?

Thanks for a nice set of Rares!
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2024 Rare Token Images < FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 3 weeks ago #22

Trinket of Trollform: regain 2 hps should be regain 2 hp

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2024 Rare Token Images < FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 3 weeks ago #23

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Raven wrote: Very nice. Very nice indeed.

I like the tokens which give extra boosts to specific classes. They're still a good choice for any new player who might find them in their 10-pack, but could encourage trading or even influence class selection to optimize builds which benefit most from them.

My brain says we've already had a "Gloves of the Raider" (Raider Gloves?) ... I may have missed some of the previous conversation around the tokens, but wouldn't it make sense to call these something else, like "Treasure Finding Gloves", or "Gloves of Looting" ? Something more in line with the other Tokens of Treasure Finding?

Thanks for a nice set of Rares!

Jeff said he wanted to evoke a certain Raider with a bullwhip and fedora that hates snakes :laugh:
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2024 Rare Token Images < FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 3 weeks ago #24

Matthew Hayward wrote: I spot checked things like: transmute categories, class restrictions, hand icons and they look good to me.


Thanks Matthew for your continuing work to make me look good! It is appreciated!
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