TOPIC: Special Option: Condensed Treasure for Jan VTD!

alesiev - Alex wrote: Will there be any sort of feedback form for those that give it a whirl? I'm foreseeing some feedback/feelings of:

Example: I "NEED" Mystic Silk and got 0...this option is horrible (not as objective) vs. "I got a pretty good selection of stuff but need more sample data to determine if I'd continue picking this option" (a little more objective)

I'd also be curious if the 27 draws could be a "point buy" system. Where Trade 1 goods are worth 5 points, and Trade 2 goods are worth 15 and I could select, say: 1x Trade 2 good, leaving me with 12 points, 2x Trade 1 goods, leaving me with 2 points which would be random draws. That way if people value a Trade 2 as "needed", they can select it at the cost of getting reduced treasure as a result.

I like the point buy suggestion. Maybe you'd get a little less treasure, but be able to choose which trade item tokens you get. That would be more work for TD, but would really help out with the problem it seems like we're always having with some trade item tokens in short supply and others in a glut.

I'm planning to give it a shot. How well it goes will determine if I continue or go back.

Dave wrote: I'm planning to give it a shot. How well it goes will determine if I continue or go back.

This is what I'm interested in knowing. What is everyone's "how well it goes" criteria?

alesiev - Alex wrote:

Dave wrote: I'm planning to give it a shot. How well it goes will determine if I continue or go back.

This is what I'm interested in knowing. What is everyone's "how well it goes" criteria?

I know about what I get each month from a normal Treasure draw and Will evaluate based on what I get from the Condensed. I'm happy in general about less boxes to and from TD to turn into trade goods.

alesiev - Alex wrote:

Dave wrote: I'm planning to give it a shot. How well it goes will determine if I continue or go back.

This is what I'm interested in knowing. What is everyone's "how well it goes" criteria?

10 Oil, 10 Bismuth, and a legendary in my 10 pack.

alesiev - Alex wrote:

Dave wrote: I'm planning to give it a shot. How well it goes will determine if I continue or go back.

This is what I'm interested in knowing. What is everyone's "how well it goes" criteria?

I'm expecting my normal mediocre draws without having to send the whole lot to get mulched. That's a win for me.

I'm sure there will be spots on the spreadsheet for normal draws and condensed, so we can see how things shake up.

This is definitely a good idea that I, suspect, will be tweaked a bit over time. The suggestion for point buy was excellent - I think that could be really useful for everyone.

Concerns:
1. With the much higher ratio of EB and OE in recipes than we've ever seen (more requiring 1 of everything meaning more rare bits become harder to fill) and creep in the total amounts needed for transmutes, the trade good most players are concerned with are EB and OE. Will the ratio of EB/OE items be the same in the condensed packs (ie if on 200 draws you would normally get enough for 1 EB and 1 OE in addition to other trade goods and loot, would this mean that 1% of all condensed would be these? (1% picked arbitrarily - not necessarily the correct percentage - just saying a percentage equal to normal distribution.)
2. Please don't pre-transmute monster bits into golden fleece since we need those to complete the MB chase for the earcuffs.
3. Please consider a future version that has consumables separated out - some players will want to gather these for use in dungeon and may not be putting in orders directly through TD to get these.

We look forward to seeing how this goes!

Fred

I'm looking forward to condensed treasure. My biggest concern is it will probably be feast or famine for stuff like AG, OE and EB. With the limited amount in the treasure, people will either average well above or below what they would while getting non condensed. Something that is unavoidable, and normally should average out a bit over time, just with the crunch on certain TGs right now it might be frustrating. With my statistically terrible pulls I hope everyone else enjoys my TGs! Overall definitely looking forward to giving this a go though.

I see those trying to complete an annual platinum set having a bit more difficulty if this works out.

Beertram wrote: I see those trying to complete an annual platinum set having a bit more difficulty if this works out.

Yes, but even if you take the normal treasure, only a small percentage of rare/uncommon tokens are from this year.

Dave wrote:

Beertram wrote: I see those trying to complete an annual platinum set having a bit more difficulty if this works out.

Yes, but even if you take the normal treasure, only a small percentage of rare/uncommon tokens are from this year.

I had forgotten that this year's treasure chest included prior year tokens. That makes me less likely to use the condensed option as I was looking forward to potentially getting tokens from years before I started playing.