TOPIC: 2027 Treasure Token Notes Round 4 <= BIG UPDATE on Multi-Year Transmutes

BasicBraining wrote: I don't think the Bead of Blending will be effective as a multi-year transmute. Almost every class is expected to attack, so this token is mainly for Bards and Clerics. It's great for them, but they already have access to the effect in Cloak of Blending. It would be a cool 5* relic, but not worth the investment of a multi-year.

My suggestion for a new effect, pulled out of the air, is to negate one attack on the player and redirect damage to the monster, up to a limit (say, 15 points). It would count as retribution damage of the same type of the attack.

It wouldn't stack with other retribution damage because the attack is negated, but could be used sometimes when retribution couldn't, like to negate a ranged attack.

Something like a ..... Magical Cylinder?

BasicBraining wrote: Very cool to show the whole transmute line. We know it takes a lot of work to get it ready up front.

My first question is, are Hagstones and Familiars new slots? Will they start at a cap of 1 per character?

Good questions.

All Hagstones are slotless. It only says slotless on the first year version. That's how we usually do it. They all stack, of course.

Familiars: It is a new slot with one socket.

Jeff Martin wrote:

BasicBraining wrote: Very cool to show the whole transmute line. We know it takes a lot of work to get it ready up front.

My first question is, are Hagstones and Familiars new slots? Will they start at a cap of 1 per character?

Good questions.

All Hagstones are slotless. It only says slotless on the first year version. That's how we usually do it. They all stack, of course.

Familiars: It is a new slot with one socket.

But will all of the Hagstones stack with Arcanum Hagstone? Or will Arcanum Hagstone be the one that can't be run with others?

Ben Krupa wrote: Are we certain we want everything ending at the same time like it did this year? That made several trade goods spike up massively as everyone rushed to make their rings and new tokens for this upcoming season.

Thanks for your concern. I think this was mostly seen on Oil of Enchantment and Elven Bismuth, and this was mostly to do with the Mythic tokens overlapping at the same time. This won't be happening in 2029.

I'm also not sold on the bead upgrade for the multi year, since you have items that enhance combat capabilities, and when you transmute them, you are protected if you don't enter combat? That seems counter intuitive, if you ask me.

I can see your point that it is not a directly relatible upgrade. I was going for something that will be the classic choice of picking offensive power or a strong defensive one. Some folks will stick with the offense, for sure.

BTW, I am not sure all players fully understand the powerfulness of how this effect works for everyone. If you lose Initiative (first round), you have not taken any action yet -- so you are protected.

AAckeret wrote: Will the Yearly Chaser Grimoire transmutes themselves do anything? That is, before they get transmuted into a more powerful transmute?

At this time, they have no power. However, we should probably give them a weak power. Let me noodle on that.

Jeff Martin wrote:

Ben Krupa wrote: Are we certain we want everything ending at the same time like it did this year? That made several trade goods spike up massively as everyone rushed to make their rings and new tokens for this upcoming season.

Thanks for your concern. I think this was mostly seen on Oil of Enchantment and Elven Bismuth, and this was mostly to do with the Mythic tokens overlapping at the same time. This won't be happening in 2029.

I'm also not sold on the bead upgrade for the multi year, since you have items that enhance combat capabilities, and when you transmute them, you are protected if you don't enter combat? That seems counter intuitive, if you ask me.

I can see your point that it is not a directly relatible upgrade. I was going for something that will be the classic choice of picking offensive power or a strong defensive one. Some folks will stick with the offense, for sure.

BTW, I am not sure all players fully understand the powerfulness of how this effect works for everyone. If you lose Initiative (first round), you have not taken any action yet -- so you are protected.

How many mythic tokens are people actually making? From what I've been hearing, it was the Ring and Greaves tokens, along with Bead of Asgards/Bifrost Charms that were causing the crunch on Oils and Bismuths. I haven't heard of anyone making Mythic Tokens yet, so not sure how much of a drain on those trade goods those have been, vs the 5 or so multi year tokens that completed this year.

As for the bead, I realized that it would make you immune if you lose initiative, for sure, but I still don't see the bead being all that useful, especially since people strive to win initiative everytime.
It just seems too much of a different effect, based on what will be used to make it, vs every other UR multi year tokens we have had in the past.

Those tokens also lend themselves to a set of some kind, either Eldrich or Arcanum, which this doesn't seem to do. Are we breaking precedent with this token as well?

See below in blue.

Mike Steele wrote:

Thanks, Jeff!

Were the 2028 and 2029 Hag Stones supposed to be slotless, since the first and the transmute are? I will go ahead and add "(slotless)" to all of them...just to make it clear.

Should the Bead of Blending be an Arcanum Token? That would be consistent with recent UR Multi-Year tokens. We are just adding one item this 3-year cycle.

Should the Ioun Stone of Fearsome Foes be an Arcanum token? The three $1K premium tokens look like they have Arcanum recipe token color to them. Instead of the $2K backs being Gold (which seems wrong) we are now going to have 3 shades of Purple tokens: 1) Lt. Purple for $1K 2) Med. Purple for $2K 3) Dark Purple for Arcanum tokens

The Familiar token is super powered, are you sure you want to allow a 6th Level, and have two level differences between player characters? Oops...the image used for the Homoculus was an old one. I took the Familiar moniker away...so it should just say "Homoculus" at the top of the token. Regardless, I am fine with 4-6th level difference.

Are you only requiring the one monster ingredient token for 2027 (Voidling Tentacle) for the Void Charm instead of all eight? There will be eight Monster Bits in 2027.

Will the Codex's have any power other than being part of the Familiar Cat recipe? If not, could there be a lesser transmute also requiring any three Codex's? I'd like to prevent another situation where the final year has the demand really drop off once everyone has what they need (assuming token purchase quantities keep going up).
This issue applies to the Chaser Legendaries, too. I think we will come up with something that allows ANY 3 to be used.

Is Familiar Cat soulbound? Nope. They are just friends with the name on the token, so anyone can use them.

Finally, That is a lot of transmuting in three years, even if not all of them require trade item tokens. Is that risking a situation like this year where Oil of Enchantment and Elven Bismuth are extremely scarce and prices are skyrocketing way past UR level costs? This plan matches 2026 MINUS all the Mythic stuff which was crazy expensive. We should be okay if the recipes are made well.See previous post. Much depends on recipes.

Thanks!!
Mike

AAckeret wrote: In addition to the concerns about multiple multiyears and the price of trade goods, how does another Monster Part recipe fare for the price of Golden Fleece down the road, which will presumably also be an ingredient in the multi year recipes?

We have done this type of transmute since 2008 and it has made otherwise not useful Monster Bit tokens have some value.

jadziadax8 wrote: Instead on making 6th level characters, why not have that token give access to the 5th level subclasses? I think only the Rod of 7 Parts and Skull of Cavadar can do that and no new players have reliable access to those.

That is an interesting idea...and a lot less work. However, I think it is finally time to make this effect a reality.

Kusig wrote:

Ben Krupa wrote: Pretty sure everyone would rather have 6th level than the subclasses, as for the most part, the current classes tend to be better than the subclasses.

But will we have lvl 6 subclasses?

Also for 6th level, will this new familiar be the only current way to get it? Or will the Arcanum and Eldritch level boosts stack and allow us to get to 6th level that way?

The Homonuclus will be the only way (+1 another +1 level power) to play 6th level characters.

Jeff Martin wrote: See below in blue.

Mike Steele wrote:

Thanks, Jeff!

Were the 2028 and 2029 Hag Stones supposed to be slotless, since the first and the transmute are? I will go ahead and add "(slotless)" to all of them...just to make it clear.

Should the Bead of Blending be an Arcanum Token? That would be consistent with recent UR Multi-Year tokens. We are just adding one item this 3-year cycle.

Should the Ioun Stone of Fearsome Foes be an Arcanum token? The three $1K premium tokens look like they have Arcanum recipe token color to them. Instead of the $2K backs being Gold (which seems wrong) we are now going to have 3 shades of Purple tokens: 1) Lt. Purple for $1K 2) Med. Purple for $2K 3) Dark Purple for Arcanum tokens

The Familiar token is super powered, are you sure you want to allow a 6th Level, and have two level differences between player characters? Oops...the image used for the Homoculus was an old one. I took the Familiar moniker away...so it should just say "Homoculus" at the top of the token. Regardless, I am fine with 4-6th level difference.

Are you only requiring the one monster ingredient token for 2027 (Voidling Tentacle) for the Void Charm instead of all eight? There will be eight Monster Bits in 2027.

Will the Codex's have any power other than being part of the Familiar Cat recipe? If not, could there be a lesser transmute also requiring any three Codex's? I'd like to prevent another situation where the final year has the demand really drop off once everyone has what they need (assuming token purchase quantities keep going up).
This issue applies to the Chaser Legendaries, too. I think we will come up with something that allows ANY 3 to be used.

Is Familiar Cat soulbound? Nope. They are just friends with the name on the token, so anyone can use them.

Finally, That is a lot of transmuting in three years, even if not all of them require trade item tokens. Is that risking a situation like this year where Oil of Enchantment and Elven Bismuth are extremely scarce and prices are skyrocketing way past UR level costs? This plan matches 2026 MINUS all the Mythic stuff which was crazy expensive. We should be okay if the recipes are made well.See previous post. Much depends on recipes.

Thanks!!
Mike

Thanks for all the quick answers, Jeff! I'm super impressed with this token set, well done!!

BasicBraining wrote: I don't think the Bead of Blending will be effective as a multi-year transmute. Almost every class is expected to attack, so this token is mainly for Bards and Clerics. It's great for them, but they already have access to the effect in Cloak of Blending. It would be a cool 5* relic, but not worth the investment of a multi-year.

My suggestion for a new effect, pulled out of the air, is to negate one attack on the player and redirect damage to the monster, up to a limit (say, 15 points). It would count as retribution damage of the same type of the attack.

It wouldn't stack with other retribution damage because the attack is negated, but could be used sometimes when retribution couldn't, like to negate a ranged attack.

See previous post about how the Bead would be useful for all classes.