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Re: Er...Would you believe these are the 3 Artifacts? 13 years 8 months ago #13

Jeff,<br /><br />I'm pretty sure the cloak only has one side effect...not both.
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Re: Er...Would you believe these are the 3 Artifacts? 13 years 8 months ago #14

<br />I'm pretty sure smak will sell his for a bent 5gp token.<br />

<br /><br />would it even have to be as much as a 5gp token?  :lol:
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Re: Er...Would you believe these are the 3 Artifacts? 13 years 8 months ago #15

Will Smak's artifact stack with the "might" set? so +2 levels if wearing that next year?

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Re: Er...Would you believe these are the 3 Artifacts? 13 years 8 months ago #16

In a way Smak's is even better than 24 URs. The party gets the +1 Level without having to use the might set in those slots. For instance, for a Fighter to use the might set he would have to give up a Dragonscale Helm, Sword of Dread, and +1 Tower Shield. Now he can level up AND keep all those items. I'm actually very disappointed that Jeff made these so powerful. If the benefits just affected the wearer it seems balanced, extending them to the whole group seems over-the-top overpowered and very easy to abuse. For example - if a teammate of Gary's wears a Dougals Cloak, does he now get +6 to all Saves?  That is twice as good as any existing token. When Jeff introduced these he said that they would not be overpowered and that even getting a +3 weapon would come with significant disadvantage. I'm not sure what led Jeff to allow such powerful items, but Smak and Gary's groups are now FAR more powerful than any other groups, especially if they are on the same team.

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Re: Er...Would you believe these are the 3 Artifacts? 13 years 8 months ago #17

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But that's only three people - how many runs can they each do?  Sure, they are powerful, but they are meant to be. 
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Re: Er...Would you believe these are the 3 Artifacts? 13 years 8 months ago #18

I'm not sure how many runs they can do is relevant. Its about maintaining some sort of competitive balance, and that has been completely undone now, which Jeff said would not happen.

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Re: Er...Would you believe these are the 3 Artifacts? 13 years 8 months ago #19

In our temas dream in owning one we had surely thought that the affects coudl not be incorporated to the team and were for the individual only. It's cool that this can be done, but I think the value of the Arcane items just took another leap upward!

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Re: Er...Would you believe these are the 3 Artifacts? 13 years 8 months ago #20

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I always figured that it would take super-strong, arcane-level magic to affect the entire party.<br /><br />As far as competitive balance, I already think Gary, Smak, and Widseth are beyond that balance, as are most of the purped players.
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Re: Er...Would you believe these are the 3 Artifacts? 13 years 8 months ago #21

<br />As far as competitive balance, I already think Gary, Smak, and Widseth are beyond that balance, as are most of the purped players.<br />

<br /><br />'Tis true.<br /><br />Artifacts are supposed to be powerful - they're artifacts. I hope Gary, Smak, and Widseth have a blast with theirs!

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Re: Er...Would you believe these are the 3 Artifacts? 13 years 8 months ago #22

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If you consider what went into the acquisition of these tokens :  the gold that had to be amassed through trading or token purchases, the schedules/flights which had to be juggled so the principals could be at the Auction Sunday instead of on a plane home, the research into "how much gold will I need to bring?" (before such things became public speculation on the forums), the acquisition of a (spare) WishRing, the trading for yet more gold to actually build the artifact, the hunt & trade for UR out-of-print tokens required by the recipe, the real cash spent in arranging all of the above... then these tokens deserve to be more powerful than the average token.<br /><br />If TD was a competition where parties fought against other parties in the dungeon, or competed to be "The Best Of TD"... then yes, certain players/parties would now skew that competitive balance. <br /><br />But it's not. It's a game. These players have just sacrificed a substantial amount of Real Time, Money, and Effort, to build cool tokens which will make that game more enjoyable for themselves & their parties... without taking away any enjoyment from the rest of the players in this game.<br /><br />Deal with it.
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Re: Er...Would you believe these are the 3 Artifacts? 13 years 8 months ago #23

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Re: Er...Would you believe these are the 3 Artifacts? 13 years 8 months ago #24

Well said, Raven.

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