TOPIC: what value do you place on treasure tokens

Hey everyone, so what is the avg. Value you place on a single treasure draw? This year you would see inflated numbers but as an average over your total years played? I am trying to math out when do token generating tokens actually pay for themselves?

If you're just looking at resale value, some players who spend more time on that than I should respond.

As for the intangibles, there are few things more rewarding than the actual tangible reward for surviving the dungeon. Team Yeti folks hold the badges in high esteem. We revel in each treasure pull as if we had indeed found the item (the token it represents) in the dungeon itself.

I like to look at it as (the cost of a run - the cost of the starter bag - the estimated cost of the reward token)/3 base pulls

It changes year over year but going into this year we were looking at pulls as having an average value of between $5 and $10 closer to $5 of course that was before whirts cash made them super worth it. Which again wont factor in next year so I would say $5 remains a fair price for a draw in the monster bits/URs lotto.

When I picked up my ROR as a PYP I calculated it would pay itself back in about 10 runs (or 2 years for me) at worst assuming I pulled $10 monster bits 25% of the time and 50% of the remaining pulls were rare.

A lot depends on luck though pull one UR and your there, what are monster bits going for this year (aka is there a 4c), what is gold going for this year, whats the average price of a rare, etc

All that said in my opinion if your buying an in print treasure enhancer your odds of not coming out ahead in a year or two seem really low since if nothing else they generally have a really good resale value. If your buying an out of print (read more expensive one) your looking at a few more years to pay back your investment but again they retain their value well so odds are you will at least be able to cash out for what you went in at.

I'll concur with Picc here.
Clearly this year was an anomoly by design. Typically your on avg going to get about $5 per pull. Uncommons will lower your pull value as will some rares but its made up by monster ingrediants and the better rares.

If you don't need the rares or if the rares arn't selling then your avg pull value will be less and you'll be banking on an UR pull or some good monster bits


If you want a more precise value, find the avg of all the rares and uncommons. Next add to it your speculative monster bit(this will be worth between 80-250gp if there is no 4c) then figure maybe 1:1000 for an UR(which is a small add). You'll likely find your self in the $5 range

Then ultimately this is only realized if you sell everything you draw or sell the draw itself.


I think that about sums it all up. I bit of a different way to come about the same value.

Also, getting a pile of treasure at the end of a dungeon feels so much better.

Like My gaming group used to say:
Phat Loot
Mad XP
Dead Gnomes

This year was a great year for all 3

I would have agreed until I remembered 2012. That year there were so many trophies they became essentially worthless, so maybe $2-3 per pull that year? 2011 trophies made the Dragon Claw Amulet and were going for $20 each for awhile, so maybe $8-10 then?

Maybe $5 is a good average over three or four years, but the payback period depends on how many times you play per year. If next year is a big pull-back after this one, it could turn out that in 2014 you can't turn a profit on a run even with every treasure-enhancing token in the known universe and "the only way to win (in financial terms) is not to play".

TD is a game, first and last, so just be careful about making decisions expecting to make money at it. It'll stop being fun and turn into work.

Yes very true. The minuet you go into it thinking my pulls are X$ then you get very sad when you pull uncommons and it ruins your whole experience even though this is just supposed to be an added bonus.

Brad Mortensen wrote: I would have agreed until I remembered 2012. That year there were so many trophies they became essentially worthless, so maybe $2-3 per pull that year? 2011 trophies made the Dragon Claw Amulet and were going for $20 each for awhile, so maybe $8-10 then?

Maybe $5 is a good average over three or four years, but the payback period depends on how many times you play per year. If next year is a big pull-back after this one, it could turn out that in 2014 you can't turn a profit on a run even with every treasure-enhancing token in the known universe and "the only way to win (in financial terms) is not to play".

TD is a game, first and last, so just be careful about making decisions expecting to make money at it. It'll stop being fun and turn into work.

It may make matching up 2013 and 2014 Monster trophies to turn in for the big item uneven. 2013 had the Amulet of Wonder as a HoP, making the pulls more numerous. 2014 won't have that. I wonder if we'll get enough 2014 monster trophies to match our 2013 monster trohpies.

valetutto wrote: Yes very true. The minuet you go into it thinking my pulls are X$ then you get very sad when you pull uncommons and it ruins your whole experience even though this is just supposed to be an added bonus.

Agreed. It can be said that if you are playing this game for the ROI, you're doing it wrong.

Donald Rients wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: I would have agreed until I remembered 2012. That year there were so many trophies they became essentially worthless, so maybe $2-3 per pull that year? 2011 trophies made the Dragon Claw Amulet and were going for $20 each for awhile, so maybe $8-10 then?

Maybe $5 is a good average over three or four years, but the payback period depends on how many times you play per year. If next year is a big pull-back after this one, it could turn out that in 2014 you can't turn a profit on a run even with every treasure-enhancing token in the known universe and "the only way to win (in financial terms) is not to play".

TD is a game, first and last, so just be careful about making decisions expecting to make money at it. It'll stop being fun and turn into work.

It may make matching up 2013 and 2014 Monster trophies to turn in for the big item uneven. 2013 had the Amulet of Wonder as a HoP, making the pulls more numerous. 2014 won't have that. I wonder if we'll get enough 2014 monster trophies to match our 2013 monster trohpies.

I think it may go the other way. Most pulls this year came from the gear boxes. There may be a shortage of 2013s. Or... Not. Only Jeff knows for sure

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Donald Rients wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: I would have agreed until I remembered 2012. That year there were so many trophies they became essentially worthless, so maybe $2-3 per pull that year? 2011 trophies made the Dragon Claw Amulet and were going for $20 each for awhile, so maybe $8-10 then?

Maybe $5 is a good average over three or four years, but the payback period depends on how many times you play per year. If next year is a big pull-back after this one, it could turn out that in 2014 you can't turn a profit on a run even with every treasure-enhancing token in the known universe and "the only way to win (in financial terms) is not to play".

TD is a game, first and last, so just be careful about making decisions expecting to make money at it. It'll stop being fun and turn into work.

It may make matching up 2013 and 2014 Monster trophies to turn in for the big item uneven. 2013 had the Amulet of Wonder as a HoP, making the pulls more numerous. 2014 won't have that. I wonder if we'll get enough 2014 monster trophies to match our 2013 monster trohpies.

I think it may go the other way. Most pulls this year came from the gear boxes. There may be a shortage of 2013s. Or... Not. Only Jeff knows for sure

I skipped the gear box and went for trophies (late friday)
So i am hoping it is worth it (a great 4C)

Why was the treasure pull box so full of UR compared to other years?