TOPIC: Variable Token Effects for 2022

Greaves
Amulets
New Treasure Box Only tokens (maps, etc)
Monster Bits

I doubt we'd see relic or legendary, my understanding is that those are on particular colors due to potential counterfeiting issues.

Be interesting if they are mostly items that are mulched or not transmutable. A plat back relic turkey leg or a treasure box only rare that gets mulched regularly.

platinum backed platinum pieces?

gp values are at 600gp. to go higher in value, it would be kind of neat to make them platinum plats.

smakdown wrote: platinum backed platinum pieces?

gp values are at 600gp. to go higher in value, it would be kind of neat to make them platinum plats.

Golden gemstone idol worth 500 in the main set, platinum gemstone idol worth 750 in the treasure box! I love this idea!

Druegar wrote:
Amulet of Wonder / Ring of Wonder
Gain the Sea Elf sub-type. Your skin hardens and becomes light blue. You may breathe and move normally underwater. If you're a caster, you can also cast Spells underwater. (It does not protect scrolls or other items that might be damaged by submersion.) You take -4 damage from both physical and magical non-Fire damage sources.

Clarification still needed: does this enable underwater bardsong?

(it seems logical to me that it would, but I don't want to just assume it does since there exists at least one other token which does allow underwater casting but not underwater bardsong)

David Zych wrote: there exists at least one other token which does allow underwater casting but not underwater bardsong

Which token is that?

Druegar wrote:

David Zych wrote: there exists at least one other token which does allow underwater casting but not underwater bardsong

Which token is that?

tokendb.com/token/catspaw-hat/

(whose TDB entry doesn't mention bardsong either way, but the chart in the Underwater Rules PDF makes clear that it does not allow bardsong)

David Zych wrote: the chart in the Underwater Rules PDF makes clear that it does not allow bardsong

Consider that an error.

In the years since the Underwater Rules were published, we have come to define bardsong as a Spell. Not all Spells are bardsong, but all bardsongs are Spells. If a thing affects Spells--positively or negatively--unless unless that thing's description specifically excepts bardsong, assume the thing also affects bardsong.

Druegar wrote:

David Zych wrote: the chart in the Underwater Rules PDF makes clear that it does not allow bardsong

Consider that an error.

In the years since the Underwater Rules were published, we have come to define bardsong as a Spell. Not all Spells are bardsong, but all bardsongs are Spells. If a thing affects Spells--positively or negatively--unless unless that thing's description specifically excepts bardsong, assume the thing also affects bardsong.

Interesting! I definitely missed that memo; might be a good thing to add to the explanation of Bardsong in the PHB.

In any case that definitely answers my question about Ring of Wonder, thanks

Is the Underwater Rules doc going to be updated before V8? I'm sure there will be many more questions between now and when we have to walk the plank in mid-Feb.