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Re: "Who wants to be a Super Hero" and True Dungeon Link? 17 years 6 months ago #49

<br />Wait a sec - was it Kirby or Miller that did Machine Man???  <br />

<br /><br />Kirby.  Miller was just starting out back then - he was more prolific in the 80's.

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Re: &quot;Who wants to be a Super Hero&quot; and True Dungeon Link? 17 years 6 months ago #50

YEP - just needed the brain jolt - thanks.<br /><br />Kirby was my first FAV - then Miller - then Simonson...<br /><br />I'm sure there were a few others in there, but those were top three for me.
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Re: &quot;Who wants to be a Super Hero&quot; and True Dungeon Link? 17 years 6 months ago #51

Hulk has worked with super hero groups to help earth, he's also had action against him by such groups due to the unstability of his alter egos. <br /><br />My point is that those three are not what you call clear cut super heroes, they have that dual nature of an antagonist and protagonist. Which its my guess the show was aiming more for.<br /><br />And if you ask me, Yes!  :P<br />How can you call Batman a superhero????<br />What is his super ability? Being super rich??<br />Am I the only one where that seems backwards?? What did he do buy his 'super' status?? I dunno, just never settled right with me. And some of those batman movies. *shudders*<br /><br />And the Hulk during Bruce Jones run, that was awful. Shesh talk about dragging stuff out 16 pages to finally get 'my aunts been sick'.<br /><br />Admittedly I'm more familiar with the cartoonized versions I grew up with, and the synopsis of things from my brothers and friends.
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Re: &quot;Who wants to be a Super Hero&quot; and True Dungeon Link? 17 years 6 months ago #52

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Re: &quot;Who wants to be a Super Hero&quot; and True Dungeon Link? 17 years 6 months ago #53

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FWIW, here is a discussion on what the definition of a Superhero really is:<br /><br /> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhero <br /><br />Notably: "Extraordinary powers and abilities, relevant skills, and/or advanced equipment. Although superhero powers vary widely, superhuman strength, the ability to fly and enhancements of the five senses are all common. Some superheroes, such as Batman and Green Hornet, possess no superpowers but have mastered skills such as martial arts and forensic sciences. Others have special equipment, such as Iron Man’s powered armor suits and Green Lantern’s power ring. While some people see heroes without superpowers as not being superheroes, their existence in a superhero universe, a superhero format (e.g. comics) and sharing many of the traits listed below put place them firmly within the definition. <br /><br />There is also an interesting section on "anti-heroes":<br /><br />The Incredible Hulk is usually defined as a superhero, but he has little self-control and his actions have often either inadvertently or deliberately caused great destruction. As a result, he has been hunted by the military and other superheroes. <br /><br />Wolverine has shown a willingness, even an eagerness, to kill and behave anti-socially. Wolverine belongs to an entire underclass of anti-heroes who are grittier and more violent than classic superheroes, which often puts the two groups at odds. Others include Rorschach, Green Arrow, Black Canary, The Punisher, Blade, and, in some incarnations, Batman. <br /><br />
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Re: &quot;Who wants to be a Super Hero&quot; and True Dungeon Link? 17 years 6 months ago #54

<br />... Others include Rorschach, Green Arrow, Black Canary, The Punisher, Blade, and, in some incarnations, Batman. <br />

<br /><br />Rorschach, now there's a strange idea for a super hero. I've been catching short reads every so often from The Watchmen compilation book.<br /><br />Basically, I'm not going to argue with any definition that Stan Lee wishes to use. Seems like that would be liking trying to argue about word definitions with Webster, or tokens with Gary, or space aliens with Douglas.  =D
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Re: &quot;Who wants to be a Super Hero&quot; and True Dungeon Link? 17 years 6 months ago #55

You hit on my point - Stan Lee in the show seems trying to use a definition that Stan Lee the writer would have never used, and infact seemed to rail against.  <br /><br />Guess old age makes you more conservative!

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Re: &quot;Who wants to be a Super Hero&quot; and True Dungeon Link? 17 years 6 months ago #56

I'd vote - it was his "TV Image" he was hoping to show off as conservative...who would want to be remembered as vicious and carefree in the genere such as Comics?  Stan has always stood for the underdog - the kid that gets bullied at the beach - the scientist that never gets the girl etc.  If the personas that get created need a spark of anger/revenge to make them real and have flavor - only sales of the comics will tell if that was a good move or not.<br /><br />I think the GOOD bad guys or the BAD good guys are even carried on to the small screen - as seen in LOST and many other highly rated shows.<br /><br />G
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Re: &quot;Who wants to be a Super Hero&quot; and True Dungeon Link? 17 years 6 months ago #57

  I think Stan Lee is getting from, and referring to, in his thoughts on what a "superhero" is to the outdated thinking that stagnated comic books for decades: the so-called "comic code of ethics"... among the things it banned:<br /><br />1) no "sexy, wanton comics"; <br />2) no glorifying of crime; <br />3) no "scenes of sadistic torture"; <br />4) no "vulgar and obscene language"; <br />5) no glamorizing of divorce; <br />6) no religious or race ridicule.<br /><br />  and many others (among other things vampires were considered to be disallowed under this, and thus you see very few to no vampire comics in the the time this was followed)... <br /><br />  His definition of a "superhero" seems to stem from this age of the goody-two-shoes-only heros...<br /><br />  As for who the off-topic of who are the some of the greats of comic book wrtining... well I think any "greats" list has to have Warren Ellis, Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, Alejandro Jodorowsky, Enki Bilal, and Garth Ennis on it or it would be incomplete. <br />

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Re: &quot;Who wants to be a Super Hero&quot; and True Dungeon Link? 17 years 6 months ago #58

Ironic too then that Stan Lee was the first major publisher post-code to print books (the Harry Osborne drug issue) without the code seal! <br /><br />The model on non-conformity is now its biggest proponant!  Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss...

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Re: &quot;Who wants to be a Super Hero&quot; and True Dungeon Link? 17 years 6 months ago #59

  This is partially my personal bias I am sure (I am not, and have never been a fan of Lee's), but it's all about money and fame with Lee... he's done a great pr job throughout his career of making himself out to be this fatherly (later grandfatherly) figure who is all good and wholesome: a "true believer" as he would say. But in the background he has gone out of his way to stick it to collaborators, constantly taken credit for everything he could (even when it wasn't his), and made sure he "got his" at the cost of a lot of other people in the industry, and pretty much seems to be one of the most power-hungry/backstabbing figures in the comic book industry... so I think he's just playing that persona once again because it's the one most likely to make him money. If another persona would get his face on tv more often, or make him more money, he would adopt that one...

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Re: &quot;Who wants to be a Super Hero&quot; and True Dungeon Link? 17 years 6 months ago #60

On a recent episode on G4 TV, they had a Stan Lee imitator ("The Stan Lee Experience") gloating "Jack Kirby died PENNYLESS!"

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