TOPIC: 2027 Treasure Token Details FINAL

Links are below for 2027 Token Details as well as the 2027-2030 multi-year transmute tokens. These will be heading to the printers in short order.

PDF: truedungeon.com/files/2027_Token_Notes_final1.pdf

Graphic: truedungeon.com/files/2027-30_Transmutes.jpg

We swapped back to having no expiration date on the Codex pieces.

Happy we aren't doing expiring powers on high end tokens, but not sure if it's best to have stats on these, or leave the stats off. Will make people want 2 of each, and probably make less of the final token once things are all out.

Jeff,
I think the Codex having powers is a mistake. Getting +2 to a stat is the equivalent to the Dragon Orbs, and those took 8 years to make. I think being able to make a Familiar with any 4 Codex is strong enough. If these tokens really do need something else, let them count as an Omni Orb for transmutes.

I love the codex going back to not expiring, I am much more likely to try and go for making the spirit pet now.

Grizwald wrote: Jeff,
I think the Codex having powers is a mistake. Getting +2 to a stat is the equivalent to the Dragon Orbs, and those took 8 years to make. I think being able to make a Familiar with any 4 Codex is strong enough. If these tokens really do need something else, let them count as an Omni Orb for transmutes.

I think I agree with that, I think they're overpowered if they have no expiration date. It's probably good enough that you can use any four to make the transmute, that should absorb any extras.

Mike Steele wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Jeff,
I think the Codex having powers is a mistake. Getting +2 to a stat is the equivalent to the Dragon Orbs, and those took 8 years to make. I think being able to make a Familiar with any 4 Codex is strong enough. If these tokens really do need something else, let them count as an Omni Orb for transmutes.

I think I agree with that, I think they're overpowered if they have no expiration date. It's probably good enough that you can use any four to make the transmute, that should absorb any extras.

I just like the fact that the tokens have an inherent value.

I like the fact that the orphan tokens are not going to only have collectors value and not much even at that. I think part of the health of the game is that reward at the 8k level.
I ignored the 8ks for the most part because these tokens became worthless if it doesn’t get transmuted.
I don’t like the idea that people are hoping to get $40 out of a dragon orb since it has expired and now does nothing, it’s kind of sad really.

Mike Steele wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Jeff,
I think the Codex having powers is a mistake. Getting +2 to a stat is the equivalent to the Dragon Orbs, and those took 8 years to make. I think being able to make a Familiar with any 4 Codex is strong enough. If these tokens really do need something else, let them count as an Omni Orb for transmutes.

I think I agree with that, I think they're overpowered if they have no expiration date. It's probably good enough that you can use any four to make the transmute, that should absorb any extras.

I agree as well. Overpowered if there's no expiration date. I don't see why they need to have a stat bonus at all if someone can use four of them to make the transmute. Get rid of the stat bonus. It's not needed.

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Jeff,
I think the Codex having powers is a mistake. Getting +2 to a stat is the equivalent to the Dragon Orbs, and those took 8 years to make. I think being able to make a Familiar with any 4 Codex is strong enough. If these tokens really do need something else, let them count as an Omni Orb for transmutes.

I think I agree with that, I think they're overpowered if they have no expiration date. It's probably good enough that you can use any four to make the transmute, that should absorb any extras.

I just like the fact that the tokens have an inherent value.

I like the fact that the orphan tokens are not going to only have collectors value and not much even at that. I think part of the health of the game is that reward at the 8k level.
I ignored the 8ks for the most part because these tokens became worthless if it doesn’t get transmuted.
I don’t like the idea that people are hoping to get $40 out of a dragon orb since it has expired and now does nothing, it’s kind of sad really.

There won't be leftovers if you can use four to make the transmute. I can't see anyone sitting back now and saying "I'm not going to go for these because there's no stat bonus on the Token".

Grizwald wrote: Jeff,
I think the Codex having powers is a mistake. Getting +2 to a stat is the equivalent to the Dragon Orbs, and those took 8 years to make. I think being able to make a Familiar with any 4 Codex is strong enough. If these tokens really do need something else, let them count as an Omni Orb for transmutes.

+1

Rob F wrote:

Wayne Rhodes wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Jeff,
I think the Codex having powers is a mistake. Getting +2 to a stat is the equivalent to the Dragon Orbs, and those took 8 years to make. I think being able to make a Familiar with any 4 Codex is strong enough. If these tokens really do need something else, let them count as an Omni Orb for transmutes.

I think I agree with that, I think they're overpowered if they have no expiration date. It's probably good enough that you can use any four to make the transmute, that should absorb any extras.

I just like the fact that the tokens have an inherent value.

I like the fact that the orphan tokens are not going to only have collectors value and not much even at that. I think part of the health of the game is that reward at the 8k level.
I ignored the 8ks for the most part because these tokens became worthless if it doesn’t get transmuted.
I don’t like the idea that people are hoping to get $40 out of a dragon orb since it has expired and now does nothing, it’s kind of sad really.

There won't be leftovers if you can use four to make the transmute. I can't see anyone sitting back now and saying "I'm not going to go for these because there's no stat bonus on the Token".

I understand what you are saying but what I buy is based on the set. I have not liked the previous 3 sets and only purchased the tokens I needed for my build, bead or greed, picks grindstone and nothing else off the top of my head. If we look at the price of the path of enlightenment before most people got the ones they needed versus after they complete the set it is about $1000 difference.

I will not budge in my support for this staying as is. I think this is the absolute correct move. And if it drives sells higher because people want the 3 year and the codex then I think that is fine too.

I think the 8k Codex's not having whatever the combined stat bonuses rolled into the Familiar is a mistake and a dangerous precedent. Now instead of picking up 1x of the Codex each year for 3 years, if I want to stay or get close to the cutting edge for power I have to buy 2x and that's not even touching on that any of the 3 is arguably just as powerful as an Elder Dragon Orb 95% of the time. I think if this stays I'm just going to lock my build in at something HC and stop chasing the end game. If you insist on having powers on the 8k tokens, make sure they roll up into the final combined token AND don't require me to buy 2 every year if I want to stay or be near a top end build. Very frustrated about this one.

Jeff,

The FAQ needs to be updated regarding the question about expiration dates on the Codex tokens. The FAQ still states they have expiration dates (Page 3 last question).

I also like the way you do not let more than one of the Patron level Codex/Familiars be equipped at the same time.