TOPIC: Token Price Guide (v23) Posted

Gary, I am astounded as you are. But the fact is, there is a higher demand for all Ultra Rare Gems as evident by the prices offered on eBay and elsewhere. And just based on the eBay prices, the Sapphire would have been even more of a markup.

I am not sure what the logic was for the person who bid $45 for the Sapphire but it doesn't matter. If it were only worth 400gp then the price would have been $10-$15. The fact that multiple people bid $40+ says that there is a special markup placed on these gems.

Aside from that, the GP to $ ratio is locked based on the tokens that are being sold for $ and their GP values. If this ratio is locked, then the $ values of the URs, by definition must have the stated GP value, ragrdless if anyone can pay it or not.

Look at it this way:

Are you saying that a Sapphire is worth 550gp yet worth $45 on eBay and Gauntlets of Ogre Strength worth 500gp is only worth $15? This doesn't make any sense. Is a Sapphire for the Gauntlets and even trade or no? According to your GP values, almost. According to your dollar values, not even close.

Frankly, I think we should just remove the monetary price amount altogether. It's a skewed sort of estimate at best. Too few data points to say the very least and really, it dosen't really fit IMO to be listing real money costs anyway.

Actually, people have expressed that they like the prices. And computing them is rather easy based on the GP/$ ratio. Further, as with the URs, often the $ is the data point.

I'm sure people like it, the same way we all liked looking in scrye and seeing what our black lotus is up to in value. I'm just not sure that it's the way of looking at tokens that should be encouraged or codified. That and the fact that it's likely flawed since very few tokens are actually sold for cash and thus there's a large degree of variance and likely error.

Maybe I am tired and a little out of my head...BUT I am finding myself agreeing with Henwy...

Take the $$$ off the guide and relax the ratio...unlock it - it is not reflecting real values - in my opinion.

The skew is only going to get worse if the tokens continue to go up on eBay...and the $$$ in the guide is really meaningless as most aren't worth the price of a random bag...

We ALL know pulling an Elixer or Gauntlets IS worth more than 4-6 random bags...and yet selling those at guide for cash nets 1.5 bags...and what about the O so sought after healing potions...I have loads and would still buy them up at $3 each...I wonder how many were sold at INDY for $3 each - my bet is ZERO.

Douglas - great job on the guide...but it may be time to tone it down and keep it simple - let go of the ratios.

It may be my minority opinion but people are getting too hung up on trading by the guide and frankly the guide is not reflecting eBay $$$ or GP value accurately...like you said earlier - we all value things differently and if the bulk of the traders are people like Fast Jack or George who give great deals for items...then the value of things is skewed in the wrong direction and hurting the common player who does not have tons of doubles to trade off.

If you have the data to back that the 500GP emerald is going for 1000 I would love to see it posted here - I might just have to put mine up for auction...

A couple of quick comments because my kids are going to wake up soon.

As for the prices, I have received input from multiple sources that they like them included. Instead of taking it away from them, I would ask others to ignore it and go strickly off the GP value. People can choose to sell strickly by the guide as you say and one of two things will happen. If the guide is accurate or low, they will sell (or sell quickly). If the Guide is too high, they won't. And if they want to sell/trade, they will lower there price and those trades (hopefully) will make their way to the price guide.

Gary, if we "ALL" know that the Gauntlets are worth more than 4-6 random bags, I would gladly trade my Gauntlets to you. Please send me 4 random bags or better just send me the $40, I will order the bags and I will send you the Gauntlets.

Again, Gary, let me ask you. Which is worth more: the 400GP Sapphire that sold for $45 on eBay or the Gauntlets?

I think that from strictly a collectors view the Gem would be worth a lot more than the gauntlets. However from a players view, the gauntlets are MUCH more valuable. How many gems were given out? 20? How many gauntlets are there?

Larry

Douglas...

Yep my kids are up and getting ready for school right now...it is the storm before the calm...I love the school year.

Believe me - if I needed a pair of gauntlets - I would gladly buy them for $40.

Larry summed up it very well... players without gauntlets value the gauntlets at X and collectors - once they have a pair...value them at Y but would be asking X if they traded them away...

Also in the mega collector cases where they have 3-5 of said items...they could be trading them off in bulk with other items and boosting certain items - be they PURP or not...

Case in point, I went Elixer crazy before INDY...I did not care if I traded 5 REDS for the elixer...I wanted them...so this "unusual" attitude could have caused a spike in the "value" of the elixer...one that not many would care to repeat.

Perhaps the gems are reflecting this sort of spike...but without seeing real data, we will not know for sure. Can you tell us how many data points you are working with and if they are eBay based or trade based from INDY???

One other little note...

What is up with the Large Shield...this has been bugging me for a long time...

I have tons of bags but only ever got 3...I ended up with #4 at INDY...but for a rare that token has to be totally VERY RARE...I know it is listing for 100 on the guide and is the top rare in GP (tied with +1 cloak - which seems more common and less valuable). (pretty funny that I had 7 flame arrows at one time but only got 3 of this rare...)

Now I know it is the BLING shield for many...so I totally agree with that item being the top Rare of the batch...100 sounds right to me.

It is interesting that Half Plate did not explode like Plate did - I saw all armor - when it WAS in the blacksmith INFLATE to crazy levels...and people seemed ready to pay the price lest they did without some sort of protection...