TOPIC: The Value of ingredients - Discussion

George wrote: Mike,
You had a case of great timing when you sold those ingredients for $30.00. My sales were just a couple of days later got about $9.00 each. (Next year I will post my sales quicker). I really don't think price ranges should reflect a single outlying trade but they should reflect a level where many trades have occured.

I think 1000 GP is way too high for the upper price. In fact I think 500 GP is too high. I know I still have a lot left from my "old ingredient" sale which I was unable to sell at 400 GP each.

I will do a test. I will offer to sell 10 new ingredients (2 of each type) at 500 GP each. If I sell out then I will happily admit that 500 GP or higher is a better upper limit. But if I don't sell any, I will continue to advocate a lower upper price. (post going up soon)

George, you must be really happy with your ingredient token trades, congrats!

I do agree with you that the value of older ingredients is lower than the value of current ingredients. I could certainly agree that 100 GP or so is a good lower limit for older ingredients, and that maybe 250 or 300 is a better higher limit than 400 GP. Or maybe 400 GP is a good upper limit if you did trade some of yours at that amount.

Well, I guess 500 GP (or higher) is not an unreasonable upper price for the new ingredients. Now I have to do some work and complete all these trades.

There is a lot of speculation over the value of the golden fleece. I'd suspect that leads to some of the prices here.

Mike Steele wrote: Well, George quickly sold 9 of 10 at 500 GP each, so that sets the value at at least that amount.

I disagree.

The value is what it has always been: unknown (until next year).

You have established that the price range for which Ingredients will sell on the forum is 500gp. (And I'll be honest, for that kind of cash, I'm really considering selling a bunch of mine, too!)

If casual players aren't into the combo'ing and collecting like the forumites are, but are educated about the use of their ingredients, I still feel that 100 GP is not an unreasonable price to offer.

Or, perhaps Scott R hit it on the head when he said:

Scott R wrote: The price range could be very wide in my opinion. Ingredients - 100GP to 1000 GP, prices very wildly depending on scarcity. Is a good indicator to new players that ingredient tokens have a wide value.

And yes, to echo what Mike said: Congrats on your trades, George!

After speculation about the golden fleece is over, and the combo tokens for 2012 are annouced and GPs replacements set what would be the driving factors keeping the price over the GP replacement value? Collectors?
What if there was a replacement value set for the fleece, shouldn't that put the kabash on values over 250?


Honestly I'd feel bad charing 500gp+ for an item that could be replaced with 250gp.

I'll probably stick with my current method, which is basically something Raven said way early in this thread of just offering a rare or 2 or a stack of uncommons that they need. Most the folks I've traded with could care less about gold let alone the stupid body part they got. I had a guy give me one for letting him borrow some tokens and I told him he could get a fair amount for it on ebay and he just said "whatever". So some folks just don't care.

valetutto wrote: Honestly I'd feel bad charing 500gp+ for an item that could be replaced with 250gp.

I would feel bad for charging a newbie 500gp+ for an item which could be replaced later with 250gp.
But the people on these forums, I will assume are better informed, and as such are making an informed choice when they spend their gold.

I'll probably stick with my current method, which is basically something Raven said way early in this thread of just offering a rare or 2 or a stack of uncommons that they need. Most the folks I've traded with could care less about gold let alone the stupid body part they got. I had a guy give me one for letting him borrow some tokens and I told him he could get a fair amount for it on ebay and he just said "whatever". So some folks just don't care.

Yes! I am regularly surprised by how many players just don't care about ingredients, or are actively disappointed by them. I think that, if more of those players knew there was a market for ingredients, and that they could trade them for good stuff, suddenly the market would be flooded by ingredients, and the price would likely drop down again.

As so many people have pointed out, Education is the key here.

Hmm - I could maybe sell some old ingredients - I made a fleece, so I have some extra.

How much do we feel they are worth now?

I think the price is still subjective.
While the only one that really has a low price is the Dire Squid Ink (80gp)
The fact that so far all the Relic items require a Golden Fleece plus one of everything really makes the rarity of them go up. That is 20 ingredients. For the average "hard-core" player that does 3 runs of TD, there is no way of pulling that off in a single year, let alone 2 - and that is even assuming they only pull ingredients.
So the price if you are just doing the UC+ and R+ makes the ingredients feel like they are 250GP max, but the need for the vast quantities for the UR+/Relics just moves the price upwards, even for the lesser desired DSI.

Now if Jeff changes the Fleece requirement out of the UR+/Relics then I think a more sane price will follow.

If the Golden Fleece remains as an ingredient, that will drive up prices of all Monster Tokens. If it is gone, but all the UR Level Transmuted Tokens require one each of the previous year monster tokens, then that should still drive the value of the previous year monster tokens up.

I missed the proposed relics and their requirements - where can I find them?

truedungeon.com/newsletter/tokens_final.htm