TOPIC: Thoughts on Token prices (long term trends).

With the newest batch of tokens entering the market, I expect to see the prices of consumable items (especially healing) rise and prices of permanant items (especially weapons and armor) fall, relative to each other.  <br /><br />A lot of healing tokens were used last year (and put back into the token economy via the stores). This year the supply of healing will be limited one use per token printed.  So the demand will be greater (relative to supply) than it was last year.  <br /><br />Permanants like Full Plate and Gauntlets will have slightly lower demand since there are already about 100 of each of them in circulation so the people who want them really badly now have them.  <br /><br />On the other hand, since every party will now be getting 7 bags of tokens, I expect that the volume of trading (because there are going to be people without large collections) to increase greatly.  So there are going to be tons of folks trying to trade all sorts of things.  One of the big issues in being a large trader is going to be people EXPECTING you to accept brown tokens.   <br />

That's where TD stored would come in handy.  They could accept Browns and give out gold, gems, or up to reds (if the quantity of browns was great enough) in exchange.  If TD wouldn't mind re-using tokens instead of always re-printing them, this would work in TDs favor as the cost of printing one token is the same as another so the trade wouldn't cost them anything much other than volunteer time.  Then the browns could be put back into circulation in the following year's bags.  This would allow people to ditch their unwanted lots of 10+ browns and receiving things such as healing potions in return.<br /><br />Of course, TD may not want to sell healing potions, but I'd love to be able to buy some, especially in exchange for my many duplicates.<br /><br />I would hope that, unless a person is a true novice, they would understand that traders have no use for large amounts of the brown.  Afterall, how many longswords, staves, or ropes does one really need?<br /><br />JKW

<br />...A lot of healing tokens were used last year (and put back into the token economy via the stores). This year the supply of healing will be limited one use per token printed.  So the demand will be greater (relative to supply) than it was last year. ... <br />

<br /><br />Which leads to a question I've been wondering about.  If there is no TD armory or magic shop to retrade tokens, and each year's token run is brand new - what happens to all the consumable tokens that are used in the dungeon, or all the gold/gems that are gathered by people auctioning for the rare gems, etc?  Are they put back into the dungeon as treasure to be found?  Are they just going to be piling up in heaps in the Indiana Jones warehouse?  Are they going to be burned in a big end-of-the-year bonfire for all the volunteers to roast hot-dogs over?  Inquiring minds want to know 

<br />Which leads to a question I've been wondering about.  If there is no TD armory or magic shop to retrade tokens, and each year's token run is brand new - what happens to all the consumable tokens that are used in the dungeon, or all the gold/gems that are gathered by people auctioning for the rare gems, etc? 

<br /><br />I've been wondering about this myself.  Of course the first sink is the pouches that are given at the beginning of the adventure but beyond that, I am curious about the plan.  Because if the Starting pouches are the only sinks, you are going to see a lot of pouches with potions and scrolls and fewer with permenant items.  You will also start to see older print runs in the Starting Pouches.

At SoCal there were times when handfulls of healing potions would come into the shop every 30 minutes or so.  They tended to take a little longer to sell out...but I see what you guys are saying about recycling back into the hands of those that need them...<br /><br />The really concerning part of no shop is if a party is hoping for some healing in their 7 bags and they get zippo - or if the 7 bags is all the party has...they just don't get tavern time to line up a trade with outside players.  Perhaps the dungeon packs they are getting as their 7 bags will be good enough to see them through, but I agree - Healing, Anti-TOX, Scroll spells - Knock, etc. should be sought after items...whereas weapons and even some REDS will drop in demand.

Price guide trading:<br /><br />Two Potions of Cure Minor Wounds = 50GP<br /><br />Would I accept a Bard Inst, Cleric symbol, or Thief tools in trade?  <br /><br />Would I accept a Special ? or a Medium Rumor in trade?<br /><br />Would I accept a normal longbow in trade?<br /><br />Most likely none of those trades happen on my table...a few Bless scrolls always makes me smile...but me thinks I value CMW over many of the other things that could be trade fodder.<br /><br />What say the TRADERS - maybe what is needed is our own guide for some of the more popular sought after items?  Just a thought for unity between traders - and perhaps forming a union/guide of our own.

I can reliably sell healing potions/scrolls in person for about 50% more than what they are listed for in the guide.  I didn't keep track of those trades rigidly, so I don't have good numbers.  But, I know that the guide is inaccurate as far as the want for these types of tokens.<br /><br />I'll trade anything of equal value... as long as I am the one setting the prices.<br /><br />

So would it make more sense for the one point heals go for around 40GP?

yeah, 40 sounds about right to me... any heal is worth it's wait, so to speak.  even if they are only 1pt, it could keep someone alive for one more room.

What is going to be interesting is who (besides Josh) is going to be willing to sell healing at any price.  Right now the only way I would part with an Elixir would be as part of a trade for a purple.  And since I got very few healing non-elixir reds in my purchase this year, I am not going to sell any of them.<br /><br />Since a lot of parties will get one or less healing items in their token bags, I expect there will VERY little healing on the market.  (Perhaps I need to work another deal with Josh, ......  quickly, ..... before he raises his prices.)<br /><br />

Personally I'd be much more inclined to trade at guide once I complete a mission to get a full .com set of PURPS...I'm about 2-3 away at the moment...Oh yes and I wouldn't mind that pretty PURP shield...<br /><br />So those things sort of weigh in on me as far as trading...

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<br />...A lot of healing tokens were used last year (and put back into the token economy via the stores). This year the supply of healing will be limited one use per token printed.  So the demand will be greater (relative to supply) than it was last year. ... <br />

<br /><br />Which leads to a question I've been wondering about.  If there is no TD armory or magic shop to retrade tokens, and each year's token run is brand new - what happens to all the consumable tokens that are used in the dungeon, or all the gold/gems that are gathered by people auctioning for the rare gems, etc?  Are they put back into the dungeon as treasure to be found?  Are they just going to be piling up in heaps in the Indiana Jones warehouse?  Are they going to be burned in a big end-of-the-year bonfire for all the volunteers to roast hot-dogs over?  Inquiring minds want to know  <br />

<br /><br />Tokens turned in, as well as old ones we have, are used for treasure, mixed in with new tokens.  I though I saw the older token horde pulled out to fill bags when the current year's tokens ran out.  So in most cases the tokens are re-used and circulated into the game, rather than just parked in the corner of a warehouse somewhere.<br /><br />Dave<br />