TOPIC: Encouraging Future Sales of Tokens Via Auctions

  Maybe another idea is to change the breakdown of the common tokens in future printing... since those seem to be the tokens that are becoming fairly worthless. Maybe make the majority of future commons GP/Gems/consumables... that way they are by definition "tradeable" as gold is now valuable to buy things, and the neat (but not overpowered) consumables like nets/MC bolts & arrows are very usable, so will retain some value... just a thought.

<br />   Maybe another idea is to change the breakdown of the common tokens in future printing... since those seem to be the tokens that are becoming fairly worthless. Maybe make the majority of future commons GP/Gems/consumables... that way they are by definition "tradeable" as gold is now valuable to buy things, and the neat (but not overpowered) consumables like nets/MC bolts & arrows are very usable, so will retain some value... just a thought.<br />

<br /><br />That's a thought, perhaps more potions and scrolls, and as you said gold and gems.  Although my main concern is the duplicate Rares and Very Rares I don't need and can't do anything with, I accept the fact that commons are always going to be fairly worthless (like my stacks and stacks of common magic cards). 

How's this then: when the new sets are printed, only carry over "old" tokens that are consumable or the top weapon or armor for each class...  and new tokens lean more towards permanents. ie: keep mc missiles, poitions, scrolls, but lose things lght shield, etc... that cleans up the superfluous rares as well...

<br /><br />And to clarify, you paid 900 in GP/Gems for an Elixir?<br /><br />

<br /><br />Yes.  I was buying it from a shop.  At the time I was worried about gold losing its value VS items.  (A typical concern for mine).  The shops had totally run out of healing.<br /><br />Deflation is harder to cause than inflation.  Sellers are very willing to sell for a profit.  Seller will often decline to sell an item if they are selling at a loss.  This is why housing bubbles are hard to pop.  People will choose not to move if they are forced to sell their existing house at a loss.  <br /><br />As for the Gauntlets selling for 350 GP.  There are not going to be very many sales like that.  There are not that many folks with 350 GP in Gold and Gems that are going to be buying items.

I have been giving the idea of alternative uses for other commons some consideration, so please continue to post suggestions.  I realize there are a number of you with fairly large arsenals at hand, and short of equipping every group that goes through the dungeon, (not needed as much now due to the added free token bag), you have a large number of common tokens available that you will probably never use.  We are starting to come up with ways to use the gold and gems, and some of the more common tokens, I have a few good ideas for other common tokens (besides kindling), so stay tuned.  <br /><br />Given all we have going on, however, I am pretty sure we will not have anything in place for Indy 2006.  But provided I am able to plea my case to Jeff, there will be an option for the future.  So just like the scroll of purify food and drink, you never know what all those long swords could be used for (maybe a +4 plowshare).<br /><br />Dave

Token: Gnomish Contraption <br /><br />Ingredients: 3 longswords<br />                3 small shields<br />                2 quarterstaffs<br />                2 thunderstones<br />                2 weighted nets<br />                2 grappling hooks<br />                1 masterwork thieves tool<br />                2 smokesticks<br />                50 GP<br />                (2 cauldron)<br /><br />Token Description:<br /> <br />  3 charges - but damage #'s like a weapon (1-10). Instead of damage number conotates what random effect occurs when it strikes (like a shocking grasp attack vs. AC10) a monster... effects can be all kinds of things from the monster taking 16 points of fire damage, to a 2pt explosion that effects everyone in hand to hand, or a cloud effect going off centered on the monster... just a thought.<br />               

Who doesn't love a Wand of Wonder ???<br /><br />(The DM who has to remember what all those random numbers stand for?  maybe...)  <br />

<br />I have been giving the idea of alternative uses for other commons some consideration, so please continue to post suggestions.  I realize there are a number of you with fairly large arsenals at hand, and short of equipping every group that goes through the dungeon, (not needed as much now due to the added free token bag), you have a large number of common tokens available that you will probably never use.  We are starting to come up with ways to use the gold and gems, and some of the more common tokens, I have a few good ideas for other common tokens (besides kindling), so stay tuned.  <br /><br />Given all we have going on, however, I am pretty sure we will not have anything in place for Indy 2006.  But provided I am able to plea my case to Jeff, there will be an option for the future.  So just like the scroll of purify food and drink, you never know what all those long swords could be used for (maybe a +4 plowshare).<br /><br />Dave<br />

<br />Really though....does TD want to be responsible for helping people to get rid of their commons? I mean, you don't see WotC offering to buy back CCG commons in order for their patrons to exchange them for ultra-rares. <br /><br />Now, I personally would love to get rid of some of the god only knows how many shortbows I have, but I don't know if it's a good precident to get people to thinking that it's TD's job somehow to reabsorb them and return something useful. Just the manpower hours alone needed to deal with commons returned in bulk is something that should be considered. It's not like they could just go right back into future token backs without being sorted somehow. It would heavily skew the distribution. It's not like they could just be tossed into the dungeon as treasure...after all, it'll also be skewed like crazy and who really wants to find 3-4 shortbows or whatever it is. <br /><br />So basically, the amount of effort needed to recollect and somehow recycle common crap tokens is a loser for TD as a whole.

Who doesn't love a Wand of Wonder <br /><br />(The DM who has to remember what all those random numbers stand for?  maybe...)  <br />

<br /><br />a.) that's essentially the idea, but effects would be weaker... and<br />b.) make a single 10 number chart, and stick as a handout with the stuff the dm's have for beads/planes/etc... it wouldn't add much to their workload.<br /><br />and we already know Jeff likes "items" of wonder, as he included that drawer of many things in the very first dungeon...  =D

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<br />I have been giving the idea of alternative uses for other commons some consideration, so please continue to post suggestions.  I realize there are a number of you with fairly large arsenals at hand, and short of equipping every group that goes through the dungeon, (not needed as much now due to the added free token bag), you have a large number of common tokens available that you will probably never use.  We are starting to come up with ways to use the gold and gems, and some of the more common tokens, I have a few good ideas for other common tokens (besides kindling), so stay tuned.  <br /><br />Given all we have going on, however, I am pretty sure we will not have anything in place for Indy 2006.  But provided I am able to plea my case to Jeff, there will be an option for the future.  So just like the scroll of purify food and drink, you never know what all those long swords could be used for (maybe a +4 plowshare).<br /><br />Dave<br />

<br />Really though....does TD want to be responsible for helping people to get rid of their commons? I mean, you don't see WotC offering to buy back CCG commons in order for their patrons to exchange them for ultra-rares. <br /><br />Now, I personally would love to get rid of some of the god only knows how many shortbows I have, but I don't know if it's a good precident to get people to thinking that it's TD's job somehow to reabsorb them and return something useful. Just the manpower hours alone needed to deal with commons returned in bulk is something that should be considered. It's not like they could just go right back into future token backs without being sorted somehow. It would heavily skew the distribution. It's not like they could just be tossed into the dungeon as treasure...after all, it'll also be skewed like crazy and who really wants to find 3-4 shortbows or whatever it is. <br /><br />So basically, the amount of effort needed to recollect and somehow recycle common crap tokens is a loser for TD as a whole.<br />

<br /><br />What Henwy is going to say next is - he is just going to donate commons back to TD or to adventurers in need...<br /><br />Hey Henwy...some of us have been doing this for a year now...come on - it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling.<br /><br />I don't think TD needs to do anything here...what I think is TD WANTS to do something cool for those with TONS of gold this year...and maybe those with TONS of common items in the future.  I chalk this up as TD being UBER cool - even cooler than WIZARDS in that they never did anything for common cards - unless you count CARDHALLA...and I bet they did not come up with that idea themselves!  JK

did somebody mention fuzzy navels? :drunken_smilie:

<br />What Henwy is going to say next is - he is just going to donate commons back to TD or to adventurers in need...<br /><br />Hey Henwy...some of us have been doing this for a year now...come on - it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling.<br />

<br />I just finished saying that I didn't think it was even worth TD's time to get back commons because they'd simply have to spend the time to sort them at the very least. Why in the world would sending them commons somehow help them then?