TOPIC: Artisen Token - Non-Auction - Starting Price.

A new topic for spirited debate.<br /><br />OK, you are a trader sitting in the trader area, it is Thursday afternoon.  A new player walks up to you as hands you an Artisan Token.  <br /><br />He asks "What is it worth?".  <br /><br />How do you answer him?<br /><br />(Remember the silent auctions have just gotten started, this token is NOT limited to one per person and this person would likely prefer items over gold)

Wait, you founda token with a picture on it? Herm, I dunno, it must be a defective one. I mean, it dosen't even have stats on it. I guess I could take it off your hands as an act of charity. How would you like this nice, spiffy scroll of magic missile? Look, 4 whole points of damage. You can't beat that.

Personally, I would tell him to hang on to it and that the value could be anywhere from several hundred to several thousand.<br /><br />Which begs the question: Will the amount of the final bids be advertised or just who the winner is?

I'd gladly offer them 1,000 - 1,500 GP worth of "stuff" for the item.  They'd get Rare gear they can use and I'd get a collectible token.  I think that's a fair trade...

<br />Personally, I would tell him to hang on to it and that the value could be anywhere from several hundred to several thousand.<br /><br />Which begs the question: Will the amount of the final bids be advertised or just who the winner is?<br />

<br />It dosen't beg the question. Begging the question assumes that which you are trying to prove .

We will post the winners and their final bids.<br /><br />And this is a great topic, George. (For anyone reading this who wonders where they got the token, don't forget there are two of each type at the con, one in the auction, and one as treasure in the dungeon.)

We should just give all the newbies the short and concise answer. It's worth whatever smakdown is willing to pay for it.

<br />We should just give all the newbies the short and concise answer. It's worth whatever smakdown is willing to pay for it.<br />

<br />While it is true, that while certain traders are in the room, price may be set well out of hand for most of the other traders, but should you deny opportunity, if someone else is not there to pay more for it?<br /><br />You know, you (I will dub thee the Trader's Guild) are entirely able to set the price of these things as a mater of practice in the pricing guide.  Just because a certain amount is bid for an item during auction, that price should not entirely drive the actual exchange price for an item.  Auctions typically overvalue an item, because there you have people willing to pay what it takes to win the item.  If you knew you were the only person willing (or able) to buy an item, then the price would be much less.  Setting the value of these items to be based on the average UR token, but with less usefulness say 1000-1400 GP would be entirely reasonable.  You can also trade for the items in gold AND goods, which currently you can not in the auction.  I would suggest, if all else fails, start a pole for pricing range and let the consensus of the group drive the actual trade value of these artisan tokens regardless of the auction price or their rarity.<br /><br />But that is strictly your (the newly dubbed Trader's Guild) call.<br /><br />Dave

Reading between the lines, I see what you're really suggesting is that we eliminate the token bigwigs so that we are the top dog trader in the room when this hypothetical newbie walks in. Then we get to set the price. Herm...I'll have to start working on my dart gun with paralytic poison.

IF I had to pick a number out of a hat, I would say that the Artisan tokens are worth 1000 gp.<br /><br />Why? Because One Thousand is a nice big number, and sounds great rolling off the tongue. Forget for a moment about all of us Traders & Forumites, and think about it from the perspective of a random player coming out of the Dungeon. They've found this pretty purple token with a picture, but nothing which indicates any value. What's it worth? Well, it's worth less than a +1 longsword. It's certaily worth less than some Gauntlets of Ogre Power. So you walk up to some nice trader and say, "What will you give me for this?"<br /><br />"An Artisan Token? I'll give you 1000gp!"<br /><br />Sure, you could get more than 1000 for it if you ask the right person. I'm sure most of the tokens at the auction will go for more than 1000. But to someone who owns 1 or 2 bags of tokens, 1000 is as big a number as 1300. It's more of a symbol - This token is worth a Large Amount of Gold. Who cares if they found a "Spider Pin" in the dungeon - what they really found was something they could use to trade for just about anything else they could want. Congrats. Of course, there might not be anyone sitting in the Trading area at the time who can afford that, in which case, you either take what you can get, or hold onto the token for later trading (keeping the figure of 1000gp in mind). Or, if you happen to come out when the Very Affluent Traders are hanging out, you could get even more than 1000 for it. But really, that's just gravy.<br /><br />Call the Artisan Tokens 1000 gp. It's a nice big number, and easier than bickering about an exact value.<br /><br />My $.02

<br />Just because a certain amount is bid for an item during auction, that price should not entirely drive the actual exchange price for an item.  Auctions typically overvalue an item, because there you have people willing to pay what it takes to win the item.  If you knew you were the only person willing (or able) to buy an item, then the price would be much less.  Setting the value of these items to be based on the average UR token, but with less usefulness say 1000-1400 GP would be entirely reasonable.  You can also trade for the items in gold AND goods, which currently you can not in the auction.  <br />

<br /><br />These tokens will be very difficult to value.  A good starting point after-the-fact is the second highest bid in the auction because in theory if the winner wanted to sell the item, they would sell it to runner-up.<br /><br />But Dave is right.  The fact that after the auction, the Artisan tokens can be "purchased" for GPs AND items can actually raise the value. 

Plus - there are only two of each, and only that many if people find the non-auctioned item during a run.  I'd expect these to be worth more than the regular URs.