TOPIC: Monster Trophies at Origins - Can we get an official response before Gen Con?

Dathum wrote: I still don't know what changed the Bead of the Lucky Traveler from needing 4 monster bits from 2016, 2017, and 2018. But somehow it needs 6 monster bits from 2019. I cannot find any rationale for that.

During the discussion for the stats on the beads, if people were told that:

a) 6 monster bits were required for 2019
b) Monster bits were going to be about 10% of the treasure mix

The discussion might have gone in an entirely different direction.

We have known it has been 6 MB since the recipe was released. That is nothing new.

@JediBCG - I was one of the surprised people.

@Wade - I agree. 10% is fine. Six bits is fine. 10% AND six bits is a kick in the teeth. But we’ll survive.

I just hope it goes back to gold or bits.

Dathum wrote: I still don't know what changed the Bead of the Lucky Traveler from needing 4 monster bits from 2016, 2017, and 2018. But somehow it needs 6 monster bits from 2019. I cannot find any rationale for that.

The story arc conclusion tokens (sometimes called the 4C, a reference to the old Combo tokens) typically incorporate all of the monster trophies that were released in the years covering that story arc.

Brad Mortensen wrote: @JediBCG - I was one of the surprised people.

@Wade - I agree. 10% is fine. Six bits is fine. 10% AND six bits is a kick in the teeth. But we’ll survive.

I just hope it goes back to gold or bits.

I agree 6 and 10% is survivable if that is in fact what is the intent. If there was some sort of mistake or it was just for Origins it would be very helpful to know any or all of this. I will get my bits eventually it is just a question of how much I can help anyone else acquire needed ones or not. If you are getting beads for a party like someone I know well. and it is 10% then that is 600 pulls. That is 3 dungeons of 10 players with Full TE's (most of my players are not 6th level). So I should be good. I just won't have much of anything left afterwards.

jedibcg wrote:

Dathum wrote: I still don't know what changed the Bead of the Lucky Traveler from needing 4 monster bits from 2016, 2017, and 2018. But somehow it needs 6 monster bits from 2019. I cannot find any rationale for that.

During the discussion for the stats on the beads, if people were told that:

a) 6 monster bits were required for 2019
b) Monster bits were going to be about 10% of the treasure mix

The discussion might have gone in an entirely different direction.

We have known it has been 6 MB since the recipe was released. That is nothing new.

Well people were complaining that bits were to easy to get and the cost of fleece was crashing, be careful what you wish for I guess

Picc wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Dathum wrote: I still don't know what changed the Bead of the Lucky Traveler from needing 4 monster bits from 2016, 2017, and 2018. But somehow it needs 6 monster bits from 2019. I cannot find any rationale for that.

During the discussion for the stats on the beads, if people were told that:

a) 6 monster bits were required for 2019
b) Monster bits were going to be about 10% of the treasure mix

The discussion might have gone in an entirely different direction.

We have known it has been 6 MB since the recipe was released. That is nothing new.

Well people were complaining that bits were to easy to get and the cost of fleece was crashing, be careful what you wish for I guess

Someone wished on a monkey’s paw. This development will crash Fleece even more. I’ve already dumped half the bits I was hoarding. I’ll probably dump more, because the 19s are so hard to get, so might as well give up now.

Was just talking to someone who is also going to dump half of his. That’s two for two, and I’m sure we’re not the only ones.

I could be wrong. But no point in changing the mix now. It’ll just make things worse, and piss off all the people who cashed in their TCs at Origins

I think some will make more fleece now, some will hold for treasure after, GC, GHC or PAX. If a lot of 2018 and newer get made into fleece, the value of the bead will ho higher and higher. I remember someone mentioning economies being a web.

I do think it would be a "nice to have" to know if this is the new normal. I agree we knew the 6 bit thing was coming.

Druegar wrote:

Dathum wrote: I still don't know what changed the Bead of the Lucky Traveler from needing 4 monster bits from 2016, 2017, and 2018. But somehow it needs 6 monster bits from 2019. I cannot find any rationale for that.

The story arc conclusion tokens (sometimes called the 4C, a reference to the old Combo tokens) typically incorporate all of the monster trophies that were released in the years covering that story arc.

I get that. I was here for Icecrag Hero’s Earcuff - that one was 4/4/4

The bead is 4/4/4/6. Why? Why is there a need to release 6 monster bits for 2019? Why not 3 or 5 or 8? The number is entirely arbitrary. More specifically, why have the highest monster bit requirement for the year where the monster bit % is the lowest of all 4 years? That one doesn't make sense to me.

In fact it would have been better for the bead to be 4/4/6/4 since the monster bit % in 2018 could have supported it much better. Having six different monster bits in 2018 would have been fine.

I believe the 2018 tokens (and trophies) were designed before the decision was made to go to 3 adventures and mix puzzle/combat,but that is pure speculation.

2019, we knew we had 3 adventures. 2 bits per adventure was standard with the exception of 2018.

Why the mix was lower, I cant really speculate on.

i will get jeff’s link about the decision to go 6 for you.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=581&id=248301#321202

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Picc wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Dathum wrote: I still don't know what changed the Bead of the Lucky Traveler from needing 4 monster bits from 2016, 2017, and 2018. But somehow it needs 6 monster bits from 2019. I cannot find any rationale for that.

During the discussion for the stats on the beads, if people were told that:

a) 6 monster bits were required for 2019
b) Monster bits were going to be about 10% of the treasure mix

The discussion might have gone in an entirely different direction.

We have known it has been 6 MB since the recipe was released. That is nothing new.

Well people were complaining that bits were to easy to get and the cost of fleece was crashing, be careful what you wish for I guess

Someone wished on a monkey’s paw. This development will crash Fleece even more. I’ve already dumped half the bits I was hoarding. I’ll probably dump more, because the 19s are so hard to get, so might as well give up now.

Was just talking to someone who is also going to dump half of his. That’s two for two, and I’m sure we’re not the only ones.

I could be wrong. But no point in changing the mix now. It’ll just make things worse, and piss off all the people who cashed in their TCs at Origins

Anyone dumping 2016-18 monster bit sets now sure is taking a leap of faith that the treasure mix for other cons will be the same as at Origins.

I can't help but notice that the Relic Recipe Fragment? % plus the monster bit % at Origins is almost exactly what the monster bit percentage was in 2018.

I think it's very plausible that there will be no Relic Recipe Fragments? at Gen Con, GHC, and PAX, and the monster bit ratio will return to 20%.

To be clear - I'm not saying it will happen - I'm just saying I don't see how anyone can be so certain it can't happen so as to begin irreversibly mulching monster bits that would be useful if it did - especially when you just need to wait 7 weeks to find out!

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

Picc wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Dathum wrote: I still don't know what changed the Bead of the Lucky Traveler from needing 4 monster bits from 2016, 2017, and 2018. But somehow it needs 6 monster bits from 2019. I cannot find any rationale for that.

During the discussion for the stats on the beads, if people were told that:

a) 6 monster bits were required for 2019
b) Monster bits were going to be about 10% of the treasure mix

The discussion might have gone in an entirely different direction.

We have known it has been 6 MB since the recipe was released. That is nothing new.

Well people were complaining that bits were to easy to get and the cost of fleece was crashing, be careful what you wish for I guess

Someone wished on a monkey’s paw. This development will crash Fleece even more. I’ve already dumped half the bits I was hoarding. I’ll probably dump more, because the 19s are so hard to get, so might as well give up now.

Was just talking to someone who is also going to dump half of his. That’s two for two, and I’m sure we’re not the only ones.

I could be wrong. But no point in changing the mix now. It’ll just make things worse, and piss off all the people who cashed in their TCs at Origins

Anyone dumping 2016-18 monster bit sets now sure is taking a leap of faith that the treasure mix for other cons will be the same as at Origins.

I can't help but notice that the Relic Recipe Fragment? % plus the monster bit % at Origins is almost exactly what the monster bit percentage was in 2018.

I think it's very plausible that there will be no Relic Recipe Fragments? at Gen Con, GHC, and PAX, and the monster bit ratio will return to 20%.

To be clear - I'm not saying it will happen - I'm just saying I don't see how anyone can be so certain it can't happen so as to begin irreversibly mulching monster bits that would be useful if it did - especially when you just need to wait 7 weeks to find out!

I think you math is off. 2018 bits were 20+ %. Fragments are 3% and monster bits 10% that is 13% not 20%