TOPIC: 2007 Token Collection Spreadsheet

<br />I would also appreciate confirmation regarding the Rings of Three Wishes and Regeneration.<br />

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• The chart has them as 2005.  Suzanne Fox left a note stating she was pretty sure they were 2004.
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<br /><br />They are 2004.

Hmm....is this more clear?<br /><br />For 2005, a few got a misprint version of the cloak. It had the dragon back, rather than the .com that all the 2005 purples had.<br /><br />For the 2005A/B business, several tokens were supposed to not be included in the 2005B, because they were replaced. As a misprint, all those that got replaced(like the wand of cure light wounds) also have the 2005B backing. I'm not sure how to make this more clear.

<br />Hmm....is this more clear?<br /><br />For 2005, a few got a misprint version of the cloak. It had the dragon back, rather than the .com that all the 2005 purples had.<br /><br />For the 2005A/B business, several tokens were supposed to not be included in the 2005B, because they were replaced. As a misprint, all those that got replaced(like the wand of cure light wounds) also have the 2005B backing. I'm not sure how to make this more clear.<br />

<br /><br />The first is much clearer for me.  Thank you.<br /><br />For the seconds...I'm still not quite sure I understand; sorry.  Are you saying, some things were not supposed to be printed in 2005b but were?  Or, are you saying that they were not printed in 2005b but in some later year, such as 2006, they showed up with the 2005b logo?  Sort of like the 2006 Elven Chain and the 2006 Plate (with the different print on the front) showing up with the 2005 (b I think) stamp on them?<br /><br />Thank you for trying to help clarify.  One I understand, I'll try to track down a list of misprints that match what we are talking about.<br /><br />JKW

<br />For the 2005A/B business, several tokens were supposed to not be included in the 2005B, because they were replaced. As a misprint, all those that got replaced(like the wand of cure light wounds) also have the 2005B backing. I'm not sure how to make this more clear.<br />

<br /><br /><br />Yeah, I have a Wand of Cure Light Wounds and a +1 Dagger with the Dragon back, even though the spreadsheet says they were discontinued after 2005A (and so should probably have a Wind back instead of Dragon).

<br />I'm still not quite sure I understand; sorry.  Are you saying, some things were not supposed to be printed in 2005b but were?  Or, are you saying that they were not printed in 2005b but in some later year, such as 2006, they showed up with the 2005b logo?  Sort of like the 2006 Elven Chain and the 2006 Plate (with the different print on the front) showing up with the 2005 (b I think) stamp on them?<br />

<br />The former. The tokens were printed in 2005 during the 2005B time, but had the 2005A back. They were not printed in 2006.

Hm.  Just curious....how can you tell the difference between a 2005a token and a 2005b token printed with the 2005a backing?  Wouldn't they look identical?  If so, unless you kept track of them when you bought them, how could you now tell the difference?  <br /><br />Thank you.

No, they would not look identical. The symbol on the reverse changed from 2005a(blowing wind) to 2005b(dragon). What exists are things which should have the blowing wind symbol, but instead have the dragon symbol.

So the items were not in the set as per what list???<br /><br />This is the same thing that just happened with the SPIDERS that printed as Dragons...

<br />No, they would not look identical. The symbol on the reverse changed from 2005a(blowing wind) to 2005b(dragon). What exists are things which should have the blowing wind symbol, but instead have the dragon symbol.<br />

<br /><br />Okay.  So...according to the v5.2 Token Guide, there are several items that were printed in 2005a with the Wind-back that were not printed in 2005b with the Dragon-back.<br />However, in reality, those items exist with the 2005b Dragon-back.  1) Correct?<br />2)  Do they also exist with the 2005a Wind-back?<br />If they exist with both the 2005a/Wind and 2005b/Dragon backs, then ... 3A) Did both wind/dragon backs get printed and distributed at the same time; 3B) if so, which time, 2005a or 2005b? OR 4) Is the v5.2 Token Guide chart simply incorrect and both the 2005a and 2005b printings exist and should have been listed that way in the guide?  If the answer to 4 is correct, then the spreadsheet shouldn't show this as a Misprint, but as a regular printing.  That's where I'm still a tad bit confused.  I now understand that the 2005a items which are listed in the v5.2 TG as being discontinued in 2005b actually have printings with the 2005b backing, I just need to understand if the tokens are misprints, and if so, why they are considered misprints; OR if the token guide is simply incorrect.<br /><br /><br />Sorry to be dragging this out.  I'm closer to understanding now.  Just need to pinpoint the reasoning here so I know where to list these items in the spreadsheet (as actual 2005b tokens or as 2005a misprints that had the dragon back on them even though they were printed in 2005a).<br /><br /><br />Thank you again everyone,<br /><br />John<br />JKW

John, <br /><br />  You seem to be making this much harder than it needs to be.<br />1) Yes<br />2) Yes<br />3A) Yes<br />3B) 2005B<br />4) They are misprints, because they had been announced to be discontinued in 2005B, but, in a few cases, were not. I would call them misprints, because only a couple people are admitting to owning them, suggesting that there only a few of them. <br /><br />The guide is correct as it stands. The guide does not attempt to include every handful of aberrant tokens.

When I put together the collectors matrix in the guide, I looked directly at Jeff's "Cut Sheets", that is the printer's sheet for each set of tokens, while I make the occasional typo in the grid, it should be faithful to what was supposed to be printed.  <br /><br />For the original wooden tokens, the reverse side or logo was printed by the blank token manufacturer and the obverse printed by a local shop.  It turns out that a handful of blanks from the previous year/run were not destroyed, but got mixed in accidentally with the tokens being printed.  The only way we know this, is if either clearly new token obverses get printed on old blanks or the obverse design for a specific token changes and we can tell by comparing the back and front.   The mix ins were random, so there is no way to tell just how many of any one token were "misprinted"<br /><br />Again the intent of the collector's matrix in the back of the Token Guide, is to list the official tokens of each print run, not the accidental printings.<br /><br />Dave

Thanks to both.  Not trying to make it difficult, but I am particular about the details.  If I am going to make any changes to my own spreadsheet, then I needed to fully understand what changes needed to be made and why.  Now I think I know and I may just let those who own such misprints add them as misprints themselves since I do not have a complete list of such misprints.  If I knew every misprint out there, I'd certainly add them tot he spreadsheet template.<br /><br />Thank you, Dave for your time in putting together the Token Guide, and now for explanations.<br /><br />Thank you apteryx for hanging in there until I understood 100%.<br /><br /><br />I apprecaite the explanations and your patience.<br /><br />John<br />JKW<br />