TOPIC: Trading Valuation

<br />Thanks guys.  So it's really all about rarity of the specific coin, and the platinum status will only matter to a specific core of traders.  That's perfect.<br /><br />I'll go through my gold tokens and try to determine what I'm looking for, and what I might have for trade.<br />

<br /><br />In addition to people that are collecting Platinum Tokens to try to complete a set, there are probably players that will be happy to trade for Platinum versions of non-consumable tokens (one's you don't have to hand in after you use them) that they will use in the Dungeon.  For instance, if someone is going to be using a Platemail token in the dungeon, they might be willing to trade a premium amount in order to have the Platinum token for the Dungeon instead of the Gold version.

And...some people might want (as we've seen on e-bay) some "complete kits" based upon character class.  Put together an awesome combination of tokens for a cleric, rougue, wizard, etc..<br /><br />As Mike indicated, Consumables vs Permanents is also taken into consideration by some people.<br />One consumable for one permanent would not normally be a good trade (based upon what the average person is looking for).  <br />However, toss multiple consumables in when trading for a permanent and it's probably going to be better received.<br /><br /><br />Not in any particular order:  <br />Rariy, Consumable/Permanent, Collectability, GP value, Scarcity (out of print), and what both sides of the trade are looking for.<br />

<br />To my knowledge, there are no Platinum Ultra Rares.<br />

<br /><br />No, there are not.  Can you imagine how hard those would be to get?

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<br />To my knowledge, there are no Platinum Ultra Rares.<br />

<br /><br />No, there are not.  Can you imagine how hard those would be to get?<br />

<br /><br />Now available, only at the Great Token Exchange...<br /><br />          Well, it's a thought...  <br /><br /><br /><br />

Ok, the consumable vs. permanent makes a lot of sense and will really help me make trade offers that don't offend anyone.  I'll be sure to indicate my newb status as a trader so that I don't mess up values.  As it stands, I don't think I have anything of value and will probably just trade within my group of 7 to maximize my chances, then trade at the con if possible.  True Tavern trading?

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<br />To my knowledge, there are no Platinum Ultra Rares.<br />

<br /><br />No, there are not.  Can you imagine how hard those would be to get?<br />

<br /><br />Now available, only at the Great Token Exchange...<br /><br />           Well, it's a thought...  <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

<br /><br />I value not getting mobbed, thank you!<br /><br />

Even at 25 REDS to a PURP - you are going to get mobbed...I easily have 100 REDS I would trade for 4 PURPS I need for a set...<br /><br />G

<br />Even at 25 REDS to a PURP - you are going to get mobbed...I easily have 100 REDS I would trade for 4 PURPS I need for a set...

<br /><br />I don't think mobbing will occur. I really don't.<br />There's maybe a dozen of us forumites who could trade for a UR more than once. <br />With Jeff's very cool offer of "Pick your Purp" on a $250 order, the folks who were desperate to get a specific UR had their chance. True, they also have 25-30 reds which they could trade for another, but you could also use those reds to trade in the Tavern and get 2 URs for the same price.<br /><br />The forumites are a very skewed sample of the TD player population.<br /><br />I think the Token Exchange will go better than people think it will. Look at how the Artisan Auction went last year... people were worried about that, but it went remarkably smooth.<br />I think the Combo Tokens will draw more traffic to the Token Trader than the Token Exchange will.<br /><br /> - Raven

Good point...<br /><br />I'd still vote to forget about an UR trade in program - here is exactly why (in some sort of order of magnitude):<br /><br />1. the value of a PURP decreases<br />2. the mystique of a PURP decreases<br />3. the buy "X bags" promo is less effective<br />4. the buy "X bags" promo was good and effective for getting the 1 or 2 PURPS a good number of people wanted so why do this too.<br />5. it sounds like limited quantities will make getting one you value equally to your 25 REDS will be in serious question.<br />6. having to limit one per person is going to call into question the whole PROXY person in line problem.<br />7. what is TD going to do with all the tokens cashed in - they don't really need them - they have them made if needed for things...<br />8. price skewing - are players expecting to get 20-25 REDS now for their UR?<br />9. how much time is this taking away from combos or an auction or other activity<br /><br />Well that is just for starters...if it happens I may have to go after a couple trade-ins...if it does not happen I will not shed a tear.<br />

Sometimes I thinjk we should just cut to the chase and stop dicking around. Just sell a complete set of purps for 5,000 each year and get it over with. Might as well let the people who can afford it glut themselves.

<br />Good point...<br /><br />I'd still vote to forget about an UR trade in program - here is exactly why (in some sort of order of magnitude):<br /><br />1. the value of a PURP decreases<br />2. the mystique of a PURP decreases<br />3. the buy "X bags" promo is less effective<br />4. the buy "X bags" promo was good and effective for getting the 1 or 2 PURPS a good number of people wanted so why do this too.<br />5. it sounds like limited quantities will make getting one you value equally to your 25 REDS will be in serious question.<br />6. having to limit one per person is going to call into question the whole PROXY person in line problem.<br />7. what is TD going to do with all the tokens cashed in - they don't really need them - they have them made if needed for things...<br />8. price skewing - are players expecting to get 20-25 REDS now for their UR?<br />9. how much time is this taking away from combos or an auction or other activity<br /><br />Well that is just for starters...if it happens I may have to go after a couple trade-ins...if it does not happen I will not shed a tear.<br /><br />

<br /><br />Regarding number 7 - Jeff has said that there would be three treasure box opportunities per dungeon, and probably more treasure available through Thieves boxes & other sources.  If you average 3 treasure tokens per person per adventure, and - what - 3000 people going through the dungeons - that's 9,000 treasure tokens Jeff has to buy for that.  He can take the tokens cashed in, add in some Purples and High Value Reds, and use those tokens for Dungeon loot next year and avoid buying all those treasure tokens.  That saves Jeff a lot of money that can be put back into True Dungeon (or maybe help prevent ticket price increases).  And hey - if he gets a lot more than 9000 tokens in the exchange, then he can maybe double the amount of treasure everyone gets next year.  It's win-win-win-win!

Not a bad point - and even if he runs short of the number he needs he can have more made up as needed...<br /><br />Still - TD does not need one more thing to lug around/pack up/sort/and deal with...they could easily request exactly what they want from the manufacturer have them delivered and just plop them into boxes for the ride to Con...  Sometimes simplicity is still the best answer, even if it costs a small bit more.