TOPIC: Ug! Runs?

MasterED wrote:

Matt wrote: Long as it was sealed/greedy count me in. Getting to the point i enjoy more of this stuff than standard runs anymore.

That statement is what concerns me regarding TD. People are having to "invent" interesting variations because the core game isn't holding their attention.

Here is hoping TPTB^TM are watching, absorbing, and reacting.

Ed

I sort of agree and disagree. I would like to see harder difficulties in the dungeon like we have in Grind. But also I think sealed pack runs would still be fun.

Probably the biggest problem is that you used to be able to die in the dungeon and I know a lot of people didn't like that. Now it seems pretty hard to die. I literally have never died in the dungeon other than in one of our crazy under-equipped nightmare runs.

I guess some of us like to think we actually might die

Kirk Bauer wrote:

MasterED wrote:

Matt wrote: Long as it was sealed/greedy count me in. Getting to the point i enjoy more of this stuff than standard runs anymore.

That statement is what concerns me regarding TD. People are having to "invent" interesting variations because the core game isn't holding their attention.

Here is hoping TPTB^TM are watching, absorbing, and reacting.

Ed

I sort of agree and disagree. I would like to see harder difficulties in the dungeon like we have in Grind. But also I think sealed pack runs would still be fun.

Probably the biggest problem is that you used to be able to die in the dungeon and I know a lot of people didn't like that. Now it seems pretty hard to die. I literally have never died in the dungeon other than in one of our crazy under-equipped nightmare runs.

I guess some of us like to think we actually might die

It's not that we ever want to die but more of the we want a better illusion of chance that we might die. I admit I like variant runs because they amuse me more than straight up playing higher difficulties. I remember my first nightmare run (fill in for a DDA run I think?) and kept wondering aside from higher numbers and less margin for error what was/is the big deal? I get that is a skull session for some of us to do X tier difficulty and to use a lot of the high tier tokens.

These variants feel like more of a different play experience. I get that they're not for everybody. I'd say look at Magic with all the different formats. You have some players that play all and some that specialize/only play 1 format. These runs that are differently organize fulfill that niche for some of us in this game we all enjoy.

I am not making that assumption. Even with the year long bender, he still believes he is a human monk. I am posing the scientific question of how much does it take for him to release those limitations on his worldview. For science of course.

Harlax wrote:

Tony McCormick wrote: So how much does Lotus need to drink in order for him to think he is an Elf Wizard? Inquiring minds want to know.

You are assuming that he has ever sobered up. I hear he has been on a non stop bender ever since being revived.

Matt wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

MasterED wrote:

Matt wrote: Long as it was sealed/greedy count me in. Getting to the point i enjoy more of this stuff than standard runs anymore.

That statement is what concerns me regarding TD. People are having to "invent" interesting variations because the core game isn't holding their attention.

Here is hoping the TPTB^TM are watching, absorbing, and reacting.

Ed

I don't think that is true for 90 percent of the people that play. It is those of us that play multiple/multiple runs. Which might be even a lower percent.

I agree that it is likely quite a small percentage of us that are into 'interesting variants'. Of which i would believe that most of the small minority is active on the forums. I'm relatively young to this crowd, this'll be year 5 for me for both Gencon and TD. I did my first variant last year and had a blast (Green with envy). Since I only do a few runs due to likely volunteer commitments I keep an eye out for different/interesting one-offs.

Yeah I think it's people doing lots of runs that are considering variants. I hope to do 8 this year at GC so having 1-2 of those be something different sounds fun. I may try to organize a "red with envy" if there's enough interest and nobody else does. I suppose it's also more of an opportunity for those with lots of tokens to use more of their collection

So from what I see, the variant run do in fact come from people who play a lot.
I think the variants would disappear if the ability to play a ton of different dungeons were possible. We have essentially 4 different dungeons plus grind. If it were even possible to double that I suspect the variant runs would dry up.

With TD at 2 more Cons now its possible the variant runs will take a hit as people are provided more opportunities to play different content.


As for the difficulty level, there were 2 issues. There was a group of people wanting a difficulty between normal and nightmare. They got Hardcore. There is also a group of people that want a nightmare + level. They have only gotten the harder stuff in Grind. Nightmare did get a boost in difficulty but I don't think its quite were some folks want it to be.


As to the original post, while yes technically a variant run, I didn't actually see this as such. It was more of a "learn to play a different class" or "break out of your shell" opportunity.

An Ugh run sounds like fun. I would figure that the hardest hit would be spellcasters and bards reducing effectiveness but yes this sounds like a fun plan. I'd be in.

I am interested in being in if it is a Sunday Run.