TOPIC: 2016 Character Card Pics < Closed, See New Thread

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: Damn it. There are still wizard cards

I would have expected that comment about Paladins!

Ed

Thank you for the cards, liking a lot of what I am seeing, and will be curious to tinker with builds once all the sheets are updated.

I like the Taunt ability on the Dwarven Fighter now. Makes stacking retribution damage interesting. Could go either Paladin or Dwarf Fighter with that.

MetaphoricDragon wrote: Thank you for the cards, liking a lot of what I am seeing, and will be curious to tinker with builds once all the sheets are updated.

I like the Taunt ability on the Dwarven Fighter now. Makes stacking retribution damage interesting. Could go either Paladin or Dwarf Fighter with that.

Interesting thought: what if player and monster each did retribution damage? Would it start an infinite-loop chain reaction that didn't stop until one or the other was dead?

Probably not, but makes me think of something like...

Brad Mortensen wrote: what if player and monster each did retribution damage? Would it start an infinite-loop chain reaction that didn't stop until one or the other was dead?

It would not.
Only melee damage triggers RD.
RD is not melee.
Ergo, RD cannot trigger RD.

(I'm fairly certain you were only posing a hypothetical, but in case someone else wondered, there's the answer.)

I like the small buffs to Bards +1 con Woot! one step closer to extra HP! The low level damage spell was expected based on the 2016 tokens, very cool.

Totally want to play the legendary bard, +4+4 bard song? Yes please.

-THOT

This is from a post Jeff made in the L&L section four days ago. There were other changes made since, but this is fairly comprehensive.

Jeff Martin wrote: 2016 Class Card Changes
General
Increased contrast on class names and HP to make them easier to read in low-light
Added "glow" to starting HP in the HP columns
Added labels to AC columns
"Scroll Use" is no longer listed as a Special Ability since the tokens themselves indicate who can use them
Raised most spell DCs
Raised all even ability scores by 1 so all base ability scores are odd numbers (this will make calculating ability score bonuses easier on coaches)
Alphabetized all spell and power lists

Barbarian
Added "Two-Handed Damage Bonus" Special Power

Bard
Deleted Daze, replaced with Sonic Dart
Deleted Mute, replaced with Song of Refuge
Deleted Flare, replaced with Bolster
Modified Inspire to also remove Hold
Bard-Troubadour
Changed name of Song of Redoubt to Song of Support (its function remains the same)
Removed the Will save requirement from Taunt
Deleted Treasure Find, replaced with Enhance Bardsong

Cleric
Corrected number of beads
Converted Restore Power and Restore Spell from spells to Powers
Added Prayer spell to replace the Restores

Druid
Added Keen Polymorph power (5th and Sub only)
Changed Freezing Orb's span from 8/10 to 8/11 to be consistent with other spellcasters
Changed Firebolt's span from 10/14 to 11/14 to be consistent with other spellcasters
Changed Call Lightning's span from 16/20 to 17/20 to be consistent with other spellcasters
Druid Summoner
Named the summoning power (function remains the same)

Dwarf Fighter
Deleted Defensive Focus power because it's too often forgotten
Added Taunt

Elf Wizard
Changed name of Stoneskin to Ironskin so it doesn't conflict with similarly named tokens
Add Focused Polymorph power (5th and Sub only)
Deleted Cat's Grace, replaced with Bull's Strength (swapped with Wizard)
Deleted Detect Magic, added Shocking Grasp
Raised Fireball's DC to 15

Fighter
Minor cosmetic changes

Monk
Changed Skill Text in description from "hand-held weapon" to "Flurry of Blows compatible weapon"
Changed Dragon Strike's definition

Paladin
Added DR 3 when Guarding

Ranger
Deleted references to specific weapons in Sharpshooter
Changed "Two Handed Weapon Focus" to "Dual-Wielding Fighting Style", no change in function

Rogue
Corrected typo in Improved Sneak Attack (5th-level only)

Wizard
Deleted Bull's Strength, replaced with Cat's Grace (swapped with Elf Wizard)
Renamed both 0-level "Ray" spells to "Bolt" spells, but kept the same power (all "Ray of" spells require a to hit slide)
Raised Lightning Storm's DC to 15

Of the other changes made since, I would say the Wizards had most of the DC checks removed entirely. Only the Elf Illusionist has any left on these cards. Instead the damage was shifted to be more midway between the full and save values.

This seems reasonable. Previously a big Lightning Storm was much more likely to nearly one-shot a Normal monster, sometimes severely wound a Hardcore one (sometimes not), but hardly scratch in Nightmare due to how they would save. Now the damage output will be more consistent across difficulties, with Normal getting a nerf but Nightmare getting a small bump.

All abilitity scores being odd makes a lot of sense.

+4 damage for 2H as Barbarian is awesome.

I like Taunt on Dwarf Fighter too. That will be a fun one.

I have a minor issue about the wizards.

*ducks pitas thrown by Laz*

Both wizards have an equal number of spells, with the Human having 2 more damage spells than the Elf. The Elf now has the focused polymorph ability, giving them a distinct advantage in melee. I think this is a GREAT ability, and it helps to give distinctiveness to the class. but I feel like the Human wizard is now comparatively underpowered. He has a higher INT, but that doesn't currently have any in-game effect.

HW 4th level - 13 spells, 10 of which cause dmg
HW 5th level - 16 spells, 14 of which cause dmg (plus Lesser Maze)
EW 4th level - 13 spells, 9 of which cause dmg
EW 5th level - 16 spells, 13 of which cause dmg

*Hey, these pitas are delicious!*

I proposed this in the L&L section - How about Human Wizards are masters of wand use and lore? Any time they use a wand that does damage, it deals 2 additional damage. I think it fits thematically.

Not too powerful, would encourage wand usage, and that would address the concerns of wizards worried about the possibility of running out of spells. Doesn't call for a free action or using wands without crossing off a charge.

bpsymington wrote: I proposed this in the L&L section - How about Human Wizards are masters of wand use and lore? Any time they use a wand that does damage, it deals 2 additional damage. I think it fits thematically.

Not too powerful, would encourage wand usage, and that would address the concerns of wizards worried about the possibility of running out of spells. Doesn't call for a free action or using wands without crossing off a charge.

With Wands that affect all monsters, would it be +2 damage allocated across the monsters, or an additional 2 damage to all monsters (which would be a pretty significant bonus)?

If it ends up going that way I would say alocated because wont someone please think of the stirges.


Also maybe limit it to only applying to damage wands.