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Re-Print Suggestions for all Rarities 5 months 3 weeks ago #145

Iross wrote:

Dougout wrote:

Iross wrote:

edwin wrote:

Dougout wrote:

Iross wrote:

Lord of Mistakes wrote: I'd like to see the Assassin's Crossbow added to the reprint list.
It's been a long time, and it is a very sought after token.


Perhaps this might be better a few years down the line? Nightshade's Throwing Dagger is currently available as a PYP and does a very similar job to Assassin's Crossbow.


Assassin's Crossbow works for RangedSA with either the Lenses of Vital Insight or the Lenses of Dexterity.
Nightshade's Throwing Daggers can only RangedSA with Lenses of Vital Insight

On average the Assassin's Crossbow is dealing more than Nightshade's with the x3 Damage on Crit, it also has 2 6's to trigger the Assassin Class's Special Ability. And it doesn't need a standard action (1rnd of combat) to be picked up between uses.

But, yes, it should be a couple years yet before we get a reprint since the Daggers just came out. Maybe we could get an Assassin's Short Bow sooner? Functionally the same, but different damage wheel. What about a Kunai.... hmmm....


Would agree being similar if dagger was returning. Otherwise, dagger is usable 1/room and crossbow every turn in a room.


Nightshade's Throwing Dagger has an in-built ability to ranged SA with it, you don't need to equip Lenses of Vital Insight.

It has the same number of 6's on it as the Assassin's Crossbow to trigger Assassinate. The special icon is counted as a 6 even while Sneak Attacking.

You can carry two copies of it to Sneak Attack with it twice (assuming you have two SAs), weapons are non-unique in TD and you can switch weapons as a free action during combat.

It is a one-handed throwing weapon so benefits from incidental STR bonuses from things like Orb of Might, the new Arcanum shirt and RoSP. It's only out-damaged by the crossbow on the highest end builds where your ranged damage bonus is around 20 or higher, and even then comes with the nice bonus of you getting to equip Lenses of the Fae instead of Lenses of Agility.

Nightshade's +2 Throwing Dagger is really, really good.


I Just realized I keep calling the Lenses of Agility Lenses of Dex... haha carry on.

Also, thank you for the clarification... I didn't realize N's+2TD allowed ranged sneak baked in, as I hadn't fully read the TokendB... I assumed it would be printed on the token. Yeah, I would like 2 please. haha


I didn't even notice you'd called it that either, clearly that must how we think of it :laugh: I keep meaning to write an in-depth look at the Throwing Dagger and other weapons to leave in The Rogues' Gallery as a reference and point of comparison, but to be honest have been procrastinating and still not done it. I need to at least give myself a good kick into doing it before physical events start bringing in more new players.


So either way you look at it, you still need at least 2 tokens to make either ranged SA weapon useful in Dungeon....

Nightshade's only 1 use thrown for 1 sneak. You would still need a Ranged weapon Backup for regular Ranged combat. If you can Sneak more than once, then you want a second Nightshade's bringing your total ranged weapon carry to 3. But it does free up the lens slot for other things.

Assassin's Crossbow needs either of the Lenses to be used for SA, and can be reused for second SA, Leaving your Token cost at 2.

So it's just a question of what tokens you have or are willing to trade/spend on. and the choice of Lens slot or no.... (assumption of this post is that all these tokens are available to us at once... not all players have them so....)
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Re-Print Suggestions for all Rarities 5 months 3 weeks ago #146

Dougout wrote:

Iross wrote:

Dougout wrote:

Iross wrote:

edwin wrote:

Dougout wrote:

Iross wrote:

Lord of Mistakes wrote: I'd like to see the Assassin's Crossbow added to the reprint list.
It's been a long time, and it is a very sought after token.


Perhaps this might be better a few years down the line? Nightshade's Throwing Dagger is currently available as a PYP and does a very similar job to Assassin's Crossbow.


Assassin's Crossbow works for RangedSA with either the Lenses of Vital Insight or the Lenses of Dexterity.
Nightshade's Throwing Daggers can only RangedSA with Lenses of Vital Insight

On average the Assassin's Crossbow is dealing more than Nightshade's with the x3 Damage on Crit, it also has 2 6's to trigger the Assassin Class's Special Ability. And it doesn't need a standard action (1rnd of combat) to be picked up between uses.

But, yes, it should be a couple years yet before we get a reprint since the Daggers just came out. Maybe we could get an Assassin's Short Bow sooner? Functionally the same, but different damage wheel. What about a Kunai.... hmmm....


Would agree being similar if dagger was returning. Otherwise, dagger is usable 1/room and crossbow every turn in a room.


Nightshade's Throwing Dagger has an in-built ability to ranged SA with it, you don't need to equip Lenses of Vital Insight.

It has the same number of 6's on it as the Assassin's Crossbow to trigger Assassinate. The special icon is counted as a 6 even while Sneak Attacking.

You can carry two copies of it to Sneak Attack with it twice (assuming you have two SAs), weapons are non-unique in TD and you can switch weapons as a free action during combat.

It is a one-handed throwing weapon so benefits from incidental STR bonuses from things like Orb of Might, the new Arcanum shirt and RoSP. It's only out-damaged by the crossbow on the highest end builds where your ranged damage bonus is around 20 or higher, and even then comes with the nice bonus of you getting to equip Lenses of the Fae instead of Lenses of Agility.

Nightshade's +2 Throwing Dagger is really, really good.


I Just realized I keep calling the Lenses of Agility Lenses of Dex... haha carry on.

Also, thank you for the clarification... I didn't realize N's+2TD allowed ranged sneak baked in, as I hadn't fully read the TokendB... I assumed it would be printed on the token. Yeah, I would like 2 please. haha


I didn't even notice you'd called it that either, clearly that must how we think of it :laugh: I keep meaning to write an in-depth look at the Throwing Dagger and other weapons to leave in The Rogues' Gallery as a reference and point of comparison, but to be honest have been procrastinating and still not done it. I need to at least give myself a good kick into doing it before physical events start bringing in more new players.


So either way you look at it, you still need at least 2 tokens to make either ranged SA weapon useful in Dungeon....

Nightshade's only 1 use thrown for 1 sneak. You would still need a Ranged weapon Backup for regular Ranged combat. If you can Sneak more than once, then you want a second Nightshade's bringing your total ranged weapon carry to 3. But it does free up the lens slot for other things.

Assassin's Crossbow needs either of the Lenses to be used for SA, and can be reused for second SA, Leaving your Token cost at 2.

So it's just a question of what tokens you have or are willing to trade/spend on. and the choice of Lens slot or no.... (assumption of this post is that all these tokens are available to us at once... not all players have them so....)


Definitely, those are my thoughts on it as well. Right now I only own the tokens for the Assassin's Crossbow build and not the Nightshade's build, so that's what I am using. My damage bonus is below 20 though, so once I get a copy of Sniper Spectacles and the upcoming Arcanum shirt I am going to have to give it some thought over which is going to work better for me...
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