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2023 Participation Tokens < New Images added Monday 9 months 2 weeks ago #1

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Plans for 2023 are a bit fuzzy -- especially since some of the events could be 20 months away. So, I have created a slew of 21 tokens that should be the maximum Participation tokens we would use in 2023. Some of these may never see the light of day.

A big change I want to make for 2023 is altering the Participation token program. The current program is a bit complicated for newbies to understand with all the various options. Additionally, despite our best efforts, newbies are still being pressured into playing Nightmare when they should be playing much lower.
So...we are going to make it all much simpler. If you play a TD event, you will get a single Rare Participation -- no matter the Challenge Rating. The Uncommons are being eliminated.

Thanks for your help in finalizing these tokens!

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2023 Participation Tokens 9 months 2 weeks ago #2

These look great! 2 are Purple. Assuming that's intentional?

The boots are probably way, way too good.

Amulet of Assistance looks a lot like Quicksilver charm.

Iron will is usually associated with Will saves.

I'm sad anyone pressures newbies into NM.
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2023 Participation Tokens 9 months 2 weeks ago #3

Are you targeting these to be slight upgrades from booster rares, or equal to booster rares in power? That will help guide feedback.
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2023 Participation Tokens 9 months 2 weeks ago #4

Thanks for making that change Jeff. At the last GenCon I had to talk a group of newer players down from nightmare because they had heard Nightmare gets 2 completion tokens while hardcore only got one. So the pressure wasn’t just from vets not wanting to lose out but newer players as well.
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2023 Participation Tokens 9 months 2 weeks ago #5

Are these a mix of tokens for players and volunteers? That would explain the Purples.

Agree that the boots seem very powerful for a Rare, even a Rare Completion Token.
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2023 Participation Tokens 9 months 2 weeks ago #6

Amulet of Assistance

"... yourself ..." is better than "you". "Heal self or ally 3 hp" seems a normal wording.

Belt of the Cat

Name already used for uncommon +1 DEX.

Boots of the Buccaneer

+5 to two saves seems about 3 too high.

Charm of Melody

Is this like the third use of this piece of art?

Charm of Providence

Kind of horrible. How about +2 WIS?

Goggles of Protection

Similarly kind of horrible. +1 AC, +1 DEX?

Ioun Stone Ruby Spindle

People going to wonder why it isn't +2.

Ioun Stone Ruby Orb

Don't we have plenty of these?
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2023 Participation Tokens 9 months 2 weeks ago #7

Charm of Melody - Things tend to go smoother when boosts end up on the party card. I know there are precedents needing song to be heard, but consider if perhaps it would be ok to just get that bonus if there is a bard in the party.
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2023 Participation Tokens 9 months 2 weeks ago #8

Cloak of Iron Will - adds a plus to fortitude not will.
Both Crown of Iron Will and Ring of Iron Will added +4 to Will saves. I would recommend a name change to avoid confusion or switch it to +3 Will saves
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2023 Participation Tokens 9 months 2 weeks ago #9

I would hope that completion tokens can continue to be a it better than the regular rare tokens. Along those lines I think there is some room to improve Shirt of Flame Resistance - I just don’t see it being used, even by newer players (as soon as they have a different option). Maybe Shirt of Resistance and just give it 1 dr against all damage.
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2023 Participation Tokens 9 months 2 weeks ago #10

Great change to the Completion Token program!
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2023 Participation Tokens 9 months 2 weeks ago #11

Belt of the Cat was a 2021 Uncommon Token.
"Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view" - Obi Wan Kenobi
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2023 Participation Tokens 9 months 2 weeks ago #12

Thoughts:

1. Bead of Health:
Other HP granting rares have primarily been named "X of vitality." I would change Bead of Health to Bead of Vitality to make it align with:

tokendb.com/token/belt-of-vitality/ (+3 hp)
tokendb.com/token/earcuff-of-vitality/ (+2 hp)
tokendb.com/token/folio-of-vitality/ (+5 hp, one use turn in at start)
tokendb.com/token/shirt-of-vitality/ (+3 hp)

I'd consider making it +3 HP as well, because bead seems to be working out to a powerful slot.

For context:
*There are 2 Rare "X of health" tokens: a 2021 boots that give +3 to HP, and a 2013 shirt that makes on immune to disease
* There are many HP granting "X of Health" tokens at C/UC

2. Belt of the Cat:
This seems too weak:
* Rare 2021 Belt of the Sweetwoods gives +2 to DEX and +1 to CON.
* UR 2014 Viper Strike Belt gave +3 DEX and was part of the viper strike set.

I'd try to find a way to boost Belt of the cat somehow:
* +2 to DEX and +1 to ranged damage
* +2 to DEX and +1 to AC
* +2 to DEX and +1 to hit with ranged
Or similar.

3. Boots of the Buccaneer.
These seem much too strong:
* Rare rings, earcuffs, hats, charms, and beads grant +3 or +4 to a single save
* +5 to each of two saves feels like a Relic level token to me

I would make this something like:
* +2 to Reflex and Fort saves
* +2 to DEX and +3 to Fort Saves

4. Charm of Providence:
A Rare +1 AC charm seems week to me.

We just had a +2 to saves UR that is part of the lucky set last year. That would suggest that a +1 to saves Rare Charm is about correct.

+1 to saves is often considered to be better than +1 to AC.

This could be changed to:
* +1 to saves
* +2 to AC
* +1 to AC and something else small (Rare Bracers of the Toad gave +1 AC and +2 to Fort saves)
* +1 to DEX

5. Charm of Sacrifice:
This feels like it should be limited to some classes like Cleric, Druid, Paladin, however it also looks like a volunteer token so maybe it is best to be usable by all.

6. Cloak of Iron Will:
This should either be called "Cloak of Fortitude," or should benefit Will saves.

I think it could use a bump to +4 to one save, or maybe even +5.

Back slot has historically been the best slot for saves, and we already have:
* Rare Bead Clerics Piety is +4 to will saves
* Rare Ring of Iron Will is +4 to Will saves
* Rare Earcuff of Enlightenment is +3 to Will Saves
* Rare Crown of Enlightenment is +4 to Will saves
* Rare Charm of Enlightenment is +4 to Will Saves

7. Goggles of Protection:
+1 AC in a Rare eye slot item seems too weak:

Compare with UR level eye slot items:
* UR Lenses of Agility: +3 DEX and Rogue sneak attack w/bows and crossbows
* UR Lenses of the Fae: +3 DEX and no 50% miss chance vs. incorporeal
* UR Goggles of the Deadshot: +3 to hit with ranged and set bonus

I think these could be:
* +2 DEX
* +2 AC (and maybe even something extra like can't be surprised outdoors)

8. Ioun Stone Ruby Spindle and Ioun Stone Ruby Orb:
These seem too weak, and also furthering an asymmetrical situation for offensive oriented Ioun stones.

In 2020 Melee just got both:
* Rare +2 to melee damage Ioun Stone Jasper Ellipsoid (completion token)
* Uncommon +1 to melee damage Ioun Stone Jasper Prism (completion token)

Melee currently has 7 Iouns that can boost melee damage:
* Three that boost damage directly
* Four STR boosting Iouns that boost both melee to-hit and to damage

Missile/Ranged/Spell have 1 damage boosting Ioun.
(There are also 4 DEX boosting Iouns which add to ranged to-hit).

I would:

Either:
a. Make one of these +2 damage to missile attacks
b. Make the other +2 damage to spells
c. Add a new completion tokens that is +1 damage to ranged

Or:
x. Make one of these +2 damage to ranged
y. Make the other one +1 damage to ranged

So that Melee/Missile/Spell each have one +2 damage and one +1 damage Ioun completion tokens.

9. Shirt of Flame Resistance:
This might be too weak:
* There are Rare -3 from fire: Ioun, Ring, and Bead
* There are Uncommon -2 from fire bracers and gloves

There is a -1 from fire damage uncommon shirt from 2020 though, so maybe -2 is just right.

It feels like this could be -3 from fire damage.
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