TOPIC: 2024 Transmute Recipes vBeta4

macxdmg wrote: Re Orb of Annihilation; seeing as the Goggles of Anticipation is from a Grunnel limited event

Grunnel's Holiday Special is a full three-day VTD event that anyone may play. It's no more "limited" than any other VTD event. It's not like the Grunnel-themed patron event from early this year.

macxdmg wrote: can the asterisk be on the other tokens, and the goggles be listed in the asterisk clarification please? Only needing 7 completion tokens, and not 8, is unclear in the current description.

Perhaps (read: probably) I'm not understanding the part that's confusing. Whether you choose to substitute the "fun" participation token from Grunnel’s Holiday Special in place of Goggles of Anticipation in the recipe for Orb of Annihilation, that recipe still requires eight participation tokens (plus the Trade goods & GP). The asterisk is only next to Goggles of Anticipation because that's the only token that can be swapped. All the other tokens in that recipe are unalterable.

One point of Clarification for Omni recipes and to be honest I am not sure how much this will come up:
Does a 2014 '+2 Sacred Sling" qualify, since '+2 Sacred Sling' is part of the 2023 Standard Set? (More generally the question is about reprints, but hopefully the specific example is sufficient)

Either way, might be worth adding additional verbiage to clarify.

Kusig wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Kusig wrote: Orb of Annihilation is too expensive IMO. Having to have that many specific completion tokens AND basically 2 of every trade good and a Fleece is too much when you compare it to previous recipes like FoP:Reaver.

Orb is Relic and is Slotless. Reaver is UR and takes a slot.

And we all know they are just going to boost the HP of Monsters by 50 to compensate for this. You're really just going to be paying trade goods to keep similar difficulty levels. Come on you know better.

This doesn't make sense to me, didn't they boost the monsters hit points to compensate for the reaver that everyone has? You can say this about any token not just the Orb. I'm sure monster hit points go up every year taking into account all new tokens that increase power levels.

Michael wrote: Does a 2014 '+2 Sacred Sling" qualify, since '+2 Sacred Sling' is part of the 2023 Standard Set?

Great question!
In your example, only the 2023 version is eligible. The final versions of the Omni recipes will state that explicitly.

Rob F wrote:

Kusig wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Kusig wrote: Orb of Annihilation is too expensive IMO. Having to have that many specific completion tokens AND basically 2 of every trade good and a Fleece is too much when you compare it to previous recipes like FoP:Reaver.

Orb is Relic and is Slotless. Reaver is UR and takes a slot.

And we all know they are just going to boost the HP of Monsters by 50 to compensate for this. You're really just going to be paying trade goods to keep similar difficulty levels. Come on you know better.

This doesn't make sense to me, didn't they boost the monsters hit points to compensate for the reaver that everyone has? You can say this about any token not just the Orb. I'm sure monster hit points go up every year taking into account all new tokens that increase power levels.

Yeah but the reaver didnt cost a whole stack of trade goods as well as the completion tokens now did it?

Is there any chance the Legendary tokens could also have the "Any 2018 or more recent standard UR" requirement also? I doubt the Omni tokens by themselves will pull enough URs out of circulation to make much of a dent.

Kusig wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Kusig wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Kusig wrote: Orb of Annihilation is too expensive IMO. Having to have that many specific completion tokens AND basically 2 of every trade good and a Fleece is too much when you compare it to previous recipes like FoP:Reaver.

Orb is Relic and is Slotless. Reaver is UR and takes a slot.

And we all know they are just going to boost the HP of Monsters by 50 to compensate for this. You're really just going to be paying trade goods to keep similar difficulty levels. Come on you know better.

This doesn't make sense to me, didn't they boost the monsters hit points to compensate for the reaver that everyone has? You can say this about any token not just the Orb. I'm sure monster hit points go up every year taking into account all new tokens that increase power levels.

Yeah but the reaver didnt cost a whole stack of trade goods as well as the completion tokens now did it?

Look at it another way, back in 2015 there was the Relic Ring of Heroism. It required completion Tokens, a Rare ring, and 1 of each TG plus 1K GP. The Orb will be available to transmute 11 years after the Ring. 11 years. So is it really unreasonable for TD to bump up the TG's by one after that amount of time for a slotless Relic? Look at the Relic Greater Ring of Havoc, 10 years prior there was the Relic Ring of Improved Evasion. Take a look at that recipe cost when you get a chance and compare the two. It will make you feel much better about the Orb..

Edit: The Orb will be available to transmute 9 years after the Ring. I always think of the Ring being a 2013 Token, it showed up then, but you couldn't transmute it until 2015 from what I remember.

FWIW, to go along with the discussion in the other thread, it occurs to me that there is still time to very easily eliminate 40-50% of the hassle associated with making Safeholds:

- abandon Safehold {IV,III,II,I} (Under Construction)
- change the Safehold IV recipe to use Safehold V directly
- change the Safehold III recipe to use Safehold IV directly
- add a second Safehold V recipe to build from scratch instead of via Safehold V Under Construction (but keep the existing recipe for people who have already made SH5UC)

David Zych wrote: FWIW, to go along with the discussion in the other thread, it occurs to me that there is still time to very easily eliminate 40-50% of the hassle associated with making Safeholds:

- abandon Safehold {IV,III,II,I} (Under Construction)
- change the Safehold IV recipe to use Safehold V directly
- change the Safehold III recipe to use Safehold IV directly
- add a second Safehold V recipe to build from scratch instead of via Safehold V Under Construction (but keep the existing recipe for people who have already made SH5UC)

Another option:
They could leave the UC options at current TG values and allow direct transmutes at higher amounts of TG.