TOPIC: 2025 Rare Token Ideas

Arrow that lowers the Monster's AC by 2 if it hits (Sundering Cestus on an ammo token)

I am suddenly intrigued by the idea of a token that grants proficiency with cannons.

Andvaranaut (finger slot), +1 Treasure, cannot be used with any other treasure enhancing tokens.

Mike Steele wrote: Andvaranaut (finger slot), +1 Treasure, cannot be used with any other treasure enhancing tokens.

I know this is the traditional wording on these, but it feels like by only providing one extra treasure it doesn't do enough to get folks interested in token collecting.

I am not sure how to word these, but it feels like these should stack in a limited way... maybe can only be used with other rare treasure enhancers.

Mike Steele wrote: Andvaranaut (finger slot), +1 Treasure, cannot be used with any other treasure enhancing tokens.

I’m guessing that you’re going for something thematic, but we did just get Ring of Treasure Finding in 2022.

BasicBraining wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Andvaranaut (finger slot), +1 Treasure, cannot be used with any other treasure enhancing tokens.

I’m guessing that you’re going for something thematic, but we did just get Ring of Treasure Finding in 2022.

Good point. I was going thematically. Maybe change it to a toe ring and make it a foot slot token. That would work for new players.

Or just create a new "toe" slot for toe rings.

OrionW wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Andvaranaut (finger slot), +1 Treasure, cannot be used with any other treasure enhancing tokens.

I know this is the traditional wording on these, but it feels like by only providing one extra treasure it doesn't do enough to get folks interested in token collecting.

I am not sure how to word these, but it feels like these should stack in a limited way... maybe can only be used with other rare treasure enhancers.

For someone with no treasure enhancing tokens at all, getting +1 treasure pull is pretty huge. It is a 33% increase in their treasure pulls. I know if I was just starting out and got one of these, it would encourage me to buy some tokens to get even more pulls.

If it stacked with even just one other rare treasure enhancing token, it would be a huge disincentive to ever buy a UR TE token. Someone would be buying an Ultra Rare token to get absolutely no increase in treasure pulls. With current UR TE tokens at +2 treasure pulls, it seems logical to me that the rare level needs to be capped at one bonus treasure pull.

Mike Steele wrote:

OrionW wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: Andvaranaut (finger slot), +1 Treasure, cannot be used with any other treasure enhancing tokens.

I know this is the traditional wording on these, but it feels like by only providing one extra treasure it doesn't do enough to get folks interested in token collecting.

I am not sure how to word these, but it feels like these should stack in a limited way... maybe can only be used with other rare treasure enhancers.

For someone with no treasure enhancing tokens at all, getting +1 treasure pull is pretty huge. It is a 33% increase in their treasure pulls. I know if I was just starting out and got one of these, it would encourage me to buy some tokens to get even more pulls.

If it stacked with even just one other rare treasure enhancing token, it would be a huge disincentive to ever buy a UR TE token. Someone would be buying an Ultra Rare token to get absolutely no increase in treasure pulls. With current UR TE tokens at +2 treasure pulls, it seems logical to me that the rare level needs to be capped at one bonus treasure pull.

It feels like the current system for TEs has already had prices fall significantly - with out of print Ion Stones going for ~$100 as an example. I think the whole system needs a refresh with an eye towards new players... if a player gets excited about going from 3 to 4 treasure... I think they need an easy way to keep going to encourage them to want to go get a Bead of Bounty (with PYP prices in the most recent auctions going for less than $70 this feels like something new players might be interested in).

Maybe change the restriction to only stacks with one other TE? This way they have motivation to go out and look at a PYP and still get the full benefit from the random rare that they got in their pack.

I also like this idea / concept for lower level TE. I completely agree with not allowing someone to wear them all or allowing them to stack with the UR + TE. If we were to allow the to stack to a certain “Cap”, as well as consistently release new ones that come in Rare and ones like the 2024 Charm of Divine Gifts. This charm is +2 Treasure with no stack ability but unlike R TE it is a 4pt transmute which is great to open up the world of transmutes to newer players. Like most relics it has a transmuting date cap on it which means we would need to keep making newer ones so that newer players constantly have the ability to play and get into the game more which is what we want. If we allow them to stack to… let’s say 5, that sounds nice to me…. No UR, L, or Mythic TE can be equip but it would allow a player that is getting into TD over there 1st few years to acquire a little more loot which is always amazing at the end of a run. They could use some they bought, traded for ( probably unlikely ), found in the sealed player packs, or made the previous year to stack / synergize at a lower level. I like the idea of a cap ( 5 token cap ) with a Rare run that runs 3 years ( like the nuggets ) that stack… each one + 1 but can be used together. I also like the thought of finding a way to allow lower level synergy that opens them up to the more advanced but still give them a path with the ability to walk away with more than just 1 token at the end of the run. Personally I’d love nothing more than to have enough TE for a full group so that no matter what, everyone walks away with with so good loot!