TOPIC: 2025 Rare Tokens

Picc wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Shirt of Humble Luck: Maybe this could be "+3 to saves for 4th level characters"? I worry new players won't know what "only 1 UR+ item" means.

That's a really elegant idea.

Tyraël The Just wrote: Scroll Odins Spear: love the same but really think we missed a HUGE opportunity to make Odins Spear as a weapon.

Love the art work and I think we are in great shape here.

Ho-Yi Fung wrote: Fang of Ragnarok: is this one less total; or one less per round? If the former, maybe reword to "monster's next Melee attack misses (1/combat)"; if the latter, maybe reword to "monster make one less Melee attack each round (no stacking)"

Matthew Hayward wrote: Shirt of Humble Luck: Maybe this could be "+3 to saves for 4th level characters"? I worry new players won't know what "only 1 UR+ item" means.

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: I worry about Sunstone trilliant amd Sunstone cube having g such different effects. I am likely overthinking this one.

Jeff Martin wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Shirt of Humble Luck: Maybe this could be "+3 to saves for 4th level characters"? I worry new players won't know what "only 1 UR+ item" means.

Good call. Fixed it so it says Common-Rare tokens.

Picc wrote:
Is there any chance that one of the Raven statues could have a blue glow (asking for a friend )

Ho-Yi Fung wrote: Hm... I have a new idea for a token. How do you feel about this?
Crusader's Wrath: Cleric only. Slotless.
Once per game, as an Instant Action, a Cleric may channel the wrath of [war god] to add their Focus to their weapon damage if no other effect already adds Focus to weapon damage. This bonus lasts for the rest of the room; however, while consumed by wrath, the Cleric may not take any action other than Melee attack (e.g., no Spell may be cast; no Powers may be invoked; no Scrolls, Potions, or other items may be used), and any side effects from damage dot (such as instakill) do not apply. New weapon oils may no longer be applied, but any previously applied oils still take effect. The Cleric may drop this bonus (and accompanying restrictions) for the rest of the room as an Instant Action on any round they have not yet made a Melee attack.

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we rethemed it for Druid?
Woodland Rage: Druid only. Slotless.
Same effect as above; but flavour about the wrath of nature instead of [war god].

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this is pretty much just a reskinned Trinket of Bearform... assuming you're using Drue's Baton?

The currently proposed Trinket of Bearform has an average damage of 9. Checking only UR+ tokens, the only weapon I found with a higher average damage for both Clerics and Druids was Drue's (9.5). Druid also have Iktomi's (11) [neck slot], Shaman's Greater Necklace (9.5) [neck slot], and Coronet of the Arch-Druid (9.5) [head slot] as slotted items. If this half point of damage against a Legendary weapon is going to make you argue Bearform is worse than my proposed token, then go ahead and subtract an entire point of damage from my proposal to make them similar; sure.
(If there are higher damage wheels, let me know and I can add them here; and subtract an appropriate amount of damage to make this proposal similar to the currently proposed Bearform.)

Polymorphing adds Focus is added to your damage. This replicated by the proposal above. Additionally, Focus is already otherwise a desirable effect both Cleric and Druid, as it increases the power of their heals and their offensive magical abilities (spells, turn undead).

Polymorphing prevents access to Spell and items. This effectively leaves just melee attacking. If there's other action that can be taken, let me know and I'll add them to the proposal above.

Polymorphing prevents new weapon oils from being used. This is replicated above.

Both Cleric and Druid are allowed to make melee attacks; and both start at 11 STR. While admittedly there is some difference between token access, both should have similar access to tokens that increase melee to-hit and melee damage. (I haven't checked everything -- there are a lot of tokens -- so if Clerics can gain a significant advantage over Druid here, please correct me on this.)

(If there are any other difference between Polymorphing and the proposed token above, let me know and I can edit it in.)

So, if you think Bearform is fine as it is, then you should feel that my proposed Crusader's Wrath and Woodland Rage are also fine -- I don't even bump up the damage wheel if you're using a weaker weapon. If you feel these are overpowered for a Rare, you should also be concerned about Bearform. As a Cleric main, I feel like my proposal is more of a UR tier power than a Rare power.

I'll also point out that 5th level Druids have Keen Polymorph for increased damage and crit range, but this may no longer be true after the class card revamp.

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Trinket of Bearform as proposed is too strong for a Rare, even with the new ruling on Trinkets applied.

Ho-Yi Fung wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: Shirt of Humble Luck: Maybe this could be "+3 to saves for 4th level characters"? I worry new players won't know what "only 1 UR+ item" means.

Good call. Fixed it so it says Common-Rare tokens.

Note that "Common-Rare" will bring the power down as it doesn't cover Enhanced or Exalted. For what it's worth, there's an existing Uncommon, the 2022 Humble Cup , which says "UR+", but I do agree newer players may not be aware of what that means and like it being spelled out. Maybe explicitly say "Common, Uncommon, or Rare", like the 2020 Ring of Jealous Fervor and 2023 Wind Runestone ?

Jeff Martin wrote:

Picc wrote:
Is there any chance that one of the Raven statues could have a blue glow (asking for a friend )

Okay, you talked me into it. Raven's minions are vast and persuasive!