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2025 Transmuted Tokens 1 month 4 weeks ago #97

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Flik wrote: Let’s have a focus legendary after things like Muk’s, sword, gloves, etc.

Time for healers to get some love here and focus is perfect for more than just healers.



Isn’t that the eye patch ? +5 focus ?


Haha yeah maybe I misread, it seemed like the focus eye patch was being reimagined to be to not be focus :P



I was just spitballing an additional Legendary.


Was also thinking about a better name for the sunstone Trillant, like the “Heart of Asgard”. Not sure if a sunstone is in Norse mythology. I’d have to look
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2025 Transmuted Tokens 1 month 4 weeks ago #98

Tyraël The Just wrote:

Flik wrote:

Tyraël The Just wrote:

Flik wrote: Let’s have a focus legendary after things like Muk’s, sword, gloves, etc.

Time for healers to get some love here and focus is perfect for more than just healers.



Isn’t that the eye patch ? +5 focus ?


Haha yeah maybe I misread, it seemed like the focus eye patch was being reimagined to be to not be focus :P



I was just spitballing an additional Legendary.


Was also thinking about a better name for the sunstone Trillant, like the “Heart of Asgard”. Not sure if a sunstone is in Norse mythology. I’d have to look



Sólarstein Trillant ( Icelandic for Sunstone )

Safír ( Sapphire ) Trillant

I think it fits the Norse / Viking theme better! Thoughts ?
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2025 Transmuted Tokens 1 month 4 weeks ago #99

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Endgame wrote: If we’re changing things drastically, I vote for dumping the Triliant and making Str + Dex gloves transmute chain


I would normally agree but the proximity of the Gregor’s Gladiator Gloves transmute chain makes me think another slot would be a better choice this year.
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2025 Transmuted Tokens 1 month 4 weeks ago #100

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Endgame wrote: If we’re changing things drastically, I vote for dumping the Triliant and making Str + Dex gloves transmute chain


I would normally agree but the proximity of the Gregor’s Gladiator Gloves transmute chain makes me think another slot would be a better choice this year.

It’s a pretty different target between 2H weapon use and str + dex, but given some comments in the class card thread I totally don’t think there should be str + dex gloves at this time.
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2025 Transmuted Tokens 1 month 4 weeks ago #101

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Endgame wrote:

Picc wrote:

Endgame wrote: If we’re changing things drastically, I vote for dumping the Triliant and making Str + Dex gloves transmute chain


I would normally agree but the proximity of the Gregor’s Gladiator Gloves transmute chain makes me think another slot would be a better choice this year.

It’s a pretty different target between 2H weapon use and str + dex, but given some comments in the class card thread I totally don’t think there should be str + dex gloves at this time.


I agree, more just meant 2 glove legendaries in close proximity.
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2025 Transmuted Tokens 1 month 3 weeks ago #102

Jeff Martin wrote: Here is a sneak peak at Monday. Thanks for sticking with me during this whole crazy process.


Is the idea to be complimentary to SRoEC or duplicate it or make it better?

I feel it should not be equivalent or better than the eldritch tokens.
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2025 Transmuted Tokens 1 month 3 weeks ago #103

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Jeff Martin wrote: Here is a sneak peak at Monday. Thanks for sticking with me during this whole crazy process.


Is the idea to be complimentary to SRoEC or duplicate it or make it better?

I feel it should not be equivalent or better than the eldritch tokens.


What if this was an Arcanum set item? I don't know if it makes sense for those to not be multi-year items, but it would make it kind of the equivalent of SRoEC and okay if the end goal is to gradually replace Eldritch with Arcanum.
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2025 Transmuted Tokens 1 month 3 weeks ago #104

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edwin wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: Here is a sneak peak at Monday. Thanks for sticking with me during this whole crazy process.


Is the idea to be complimentary to SRoEC or duplicate it or make it better?

I feel it should not be equivalent or better than the eldritch tokens.


What if this was an Arcanum set item? I don't know if it makes sense for those to not be multi-year items, but it would make it kind of the equivalent of SRoEC and okay if the end goal is to gradually replace Eldritch with Arcanum.


I agree with Edwin that a Legendary shouldn't be better than an Eldritch Token. I would be OK with this being an Arcanum token though, as a result of a multi-year UR transmute. Although even at that, it seems overpowered compared to SRoEC and in a lesser slot.

Maybe limit them to damage types that aren't covered by SRoEC, so people can't get 20 points of damage resistance to some damage types by outfitting both.
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2025 Transmuted Tokens 1 month 3 weeks ago #105

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OrionW wrote:

edwin wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: Here is a sneak peak at Monday. Thanks for sticking with me during this whole crazy process.


Is the idea to be complimentary to SRoEC or duplicate it or make it better?

I feel it should not be equivalent or better than the eldritch tokens.


What if this was an Arcanum set item? I don't know if it makes sense for those to not be multi-year items, but it would make it kind of the equivalent of SRoEC and okay if the end goal is to gradually replace Eldritch with Arcanum.


I still think this is too strong as well.
I like the direction and think you could do a lot with it if we made it an active effect like Cloak of Shadowskin.
See my earlier idea
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2025 Transmuted Tokens 1 month 3 weeks ago #106

OrionW wrote:

edwin wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: Here is a sneak peak at Monday. Thanks for sticking with me during this whole crazy process.


Is the idea to be complimentary to SRoEC or duplicate it or make it better?

I feel it should not be equivalent or better than the eldritch tokens.


What if this was an Arcanum set item? I don't know if it makes sense for those to not be multi-year items, but it would make it kind of the equivalent of SRoEC and okay if the end goal is to gradually replace Eldritch with Arcanum.


Arcanum are going into different slots and different types items (shirt, greaves , and unknown for the others) so that both can be equipped and not just be replacements/equivalents.
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2025 Transmuted Tokens 1 month 3 weeks ago #107

Mike Steele wrote:

OrionW wrote:

edwin wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: Here is a sneak peak at Monday. Thanks for sticking with me during this whole crazy process.


Is the idea to be complimentary to SRoEC or duplicate it or make it better?

I feel it should not be equivalent or better than the eldritch tokens.


What if this was an Arcanum set item? I don't know if it makes sense for those to not be multi-year items, but it would make it kind of the equivalent of SRoEC and okay if the end goal is to gradually replace Eldritch with Arcanum.


I agree with Edwin that a Legendary shouldn't be better than an Eldritch Token. I would be OK with this being an Arcanum token though, as a result of a multi-year UR transmute. Although even at that, it seems overpowered compared to SRoEC and in a lesser slot.

Maybe limit them to damage types that aren't covered by SRoEC, so people can't get 20 points of damage resistance to some damage types by outfitting both.


Bringing up a suggestion I posted in a previous iteration:

What if this was instead the next multi-year Arcanum item, starting with a reprint of the Topaz Trilliant in 2026 (overlapping with the last of the Greaves) or 2027, then have -5 Sacred, Fire, Shock, Cold Trilliants in the following four years?

To be clear, I feel -10 is definitely waaaaay too much, especially as an IS that also gives +3 saves; and that it would be detrimental to future dungeon design and balance. The Arcanum IS I'm imagining would have -5 to all the constituent elements (sorry Darkrift!). I'd even go as far as to venture -3 to all constituent elements, but since people do not like seeing number go down, even if it becomes more applicable (e.g., -3 damage on 6 hits > -5 on 2 hits), it'd probably end up being at least as high as the individual bits.

I also kinda like Impy's idea, too; and combine it with the Arcanum suggestion: what if, starting after the greaves are done, we print a series of IS that allow you to absorb X damage of one particular element once per combat, and culminate in an IS that allows you absorb Y damage from your choice of multiple elements, say, twice (or even three times) per combat? Similar to the above, I feel Y < X would be still be fantastic due to the slot consolidation, but there'd be rioting unless Y >= X.
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