TOPIC: Mythic Transmute Costs

Flik wrote: I don’t pretend to know what the mythical ceiling is but I am asking the question of who wants mythic tokens to cost $5000-$7500????

Will there be people that make $7500 mythic tokens? Yes I’m sure. Trent exists. Rich TD players exist. Are there enough to field a run? No clue. Jeff has stated his intentions multiple times…I just don’t understand people who want the cost to be triple or more just because “not mythic enough”

I believe the crowd who wants mythic items to be really expensive want it to be a monumental achievement to have one. "I saved for five years to get this. There are only 3 like it. Isn't that cool?" More like having a TD artifact than something like a legendary where a bunch of people have more than one in their build.

Flik wrote: I don’t pretend to know what the mythical ceiling is but I am asking the question of who wants mythic tokens to cost $5000-$7500????

Will there be people that make $7500 mythic tokens? Yes I’m sure. Trent exists. Rich TD players exist. Are there enough to field a run? No clue. Jeff has stated his intentions multiple times…I just don’t understand people who want the cost to be triple or more just because “not mythic enough”

Can you answer your own question for other rarities?

Who wants Legendaries to cost $1500?

Why do they want this?

Is it possible the same reasons and logic would extend to a higher rarity and a 3x higher cost?

If not why not?

I can't really answer those, so I'm just falling back on history and hoping it would lead to a successful design for Mythic rarity costs:

Relics and Legendaries have been very successful, as measured by player desire (and probably other metrics too). Relics cost 3-5x of a UR, and Legendaries cost 3-5x of a Relic.

Could Mythics be successful at some other price progression than what has historically been successful? Probably.

Endgame wrote:

Flik wrote: I don’t pretend to know what the mythical ceiling is but I am asking the question of who wants mythic tokens to cost $5000-$7500????

Will there be people that make $7500 mythic tokens? Yes I’m sure. Trent exists. Rich TD players exist. Are there enough to field a run? No clue. Jeff has stated his intentions multiple times…I just don’t understand people who want the cost to be triple or more just because “not mythic enough”

I believe the crowd who wants mythic items to be really expensive want it to be a monumental achievement to have one. "I saved for five years to get this. There are only 3 like it. Isn't that cool?" More like having a TD artifact than something like a legendary where a bunch of people have more than one in their build.

This is reductive.

Surely there are a variety of views and rationales for why people want Mythics to cost the amounts they prefer.

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Flik wrote: I don’t pretend to know what the mythical ceiling is but I am asking the question of who wants mythic tokens to cost $5000-$7500????

Will there be people that make $7500 mythic tokens? Yes I’m sure. Trent exists. Rich TD players exist. Are there enough to field a run? No clue. Jeff has stated his intentions multiple times…I just don’t understand people who want the cost to be triple or more just because “not mythic enough”

I believe the crowd who wants mythic items to be really expensive want it to be a monumental achievement to have one. "I saved for five years to get this. There are only 3 like it. Isn't that cool?" More like having a TD artifact than something like a legendary where a bunch of people have more than one in their build.

This is reductive.

Surely there are a variety of views and rationales for why people want Mythics to cost the amounts they prefer.

That’s why i started with “I believe”. Feel free to state your own opinion and reasons.

I don't think we can have any non-reductive discussion in transmute cost analysis without knowing the goal behind the cost. There are as many reasons and desires for tokens and their costs as there are players.

The ceiling is unknown. However it is known there is a perception of the high cost tokens that have an effect on how people see TD. I do know each GenCon I hear someone talking about how absurd they think a token costing $X is on the after market. The effect of this is unknown however.

So again, I'd like to ask Jeff if he can outline is goal for the cost.

Examples of the goals I could foresee:

• Trade Good Sink
• Long Term Crafting Project for the most Invested Community Members
• Collector Exclusivity
• Community Building Projects

Unless we know that goal we're just peering into the crystal ball of trying to predict the community token market.

So instead of saying what cost is right or wrong, the items that would interest me that effect cost are:

A cost that can't inherently be bought with money

A cost that involves trying to get the community together (see: More mythic token unlocks for the community successfully completing more runs. Or cool puzzle quests)

A cost that is night intensely more than a legendary

I know TDHQ used to do a lot more community quests back in the day, which I was not around for, but those are the stuff I find very cool. I would love to see things like that tie into the cost or availability of Mythic Tokens.

General Ideas:

• Community Puzzles - This could end with a hidden transmute recipe that gives you required component of a mythic item, like a Mythic Power Core or something. Release it in public channels for the community to solve. The community can work together, use spoiler tags, and solve things. New comers can either just look at spoilers or enjoy solving the puzzle themselves
• Community Crafting Goals - As Endgame Said the Community sends in 2000x Dwarven Steel or something
• Community Dungeon Completion Rewards - I already outlined this one earlier

What about a recipe of:
Omni Cube
Pile of Trade Goods
100,000 GP Unobtainium Bar
Mythic Transmuter

With an alternate of
Legendary Token
100,000 GP Unobtainium Bar
Mythic Transmuter