TOPIC: Update on Completed Rod of Seven Parts

Jeff Martin wrote: Thanks for your patience with my slow response and for all the good questions. I once again failed to explain things well, and I apologize for doing that.

I should have said a completed Rod of Seven Parts will have all the powers of Segments 1-7 PLUS once per year it can be used to also run a sub-class of a character as I described earlier.

The completed Rod of Seven Parts will not stack with individual Rod Segments -- so no double-dipping. Sorry.

I don't see putting any earlier segments in the Treasure Generators, and the only time that would happen is after Dec. 1, 2016 when the Completed Rod of Seven Parts is no longer available to be transmuted. But in any case, I would never do it for Segment 1.

Thanks for the feedback!

Jeff, thanks for the info. If the Rod is first available for transmuting this year, then wouldn't the end-date for transmuting be Dec 1, 2015 instead of Dec 1, 2016?

Also, just as a point of reference, back a number of years ago you did say that the segments did stack with the completed rod, so that you were encouraging people to get two sets so they could use both the rod and the individual segments. So maybe you will get some pushback on the change of direction now to not allow them to stack, but hopefully that will be mitigated by the completed rod including the individual rod segments bonuses.

I'm looking forward to seeing the stats on the new sub-character classes! Since the ability is only usable once per year, I could see this same bonus as the ability for the next 7 UR Eldritch Item also, so that people could do another run or two with the sub-classes.

The drawback is a bit meta but will be the same as for any relic - the much lower value of the final token as compared with the value of the ingredients. It sounds like in this case the benefits will outweigh that in this case.

Brad Mortensen wrote: The drawback is a bit meta but will be the same as for any relic - the much lower value of the final token as compared with the value of the ingredients. It sounds like in this case the benefits will outweigh that in this case.

In this case, I suspect that once the deadline for transmuting passes, the value of the ingredients will be significantly less than the value of the ingredients.

I'm not actually sure why there would be a problem with putting Rod Segment 1's in the boxes after the trade deadline passes. Surely the high value on Rod Segment 1's is due solely to the relative scarcity of them in making the completed rods, not in the +1 HP that it grants. Once the trade deadline passes, the value for a Rod Segment 1 should be significantly reduced. I'd be really interested if Jeff or anyone else could state the reason for not wanting Rod Segment 1's to ever be put in treasure boxes, even after the trade deadline.

Mike Steele wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: Thanks for your patience with my slow response and for all the good questions. I once again failed to explain things well, and I apologize for doing that.

I should have said a completed Rod of Seven Parts will have all the powers of Segments 1-7 PLUS once per year it can be used to also run a sub-class of a character as I described earlier.

The completed Rod of Seven Parts will not stack with individual Rod Segments -- so no double-dipping. Sorry.

I don't see putting any earlier segments in the Treasure Generators, and the only time that would happen is after Dec. 1, 2016 when the Completed Rod of Seven Parts is no longer available to be transmuted. But in any case, I would never do it for Segment 1.

Thanks for the feedback!

Jeff, thanks for the info. If the Rod is first available for transmuting this year, then wouldn't the end-date for transmuting be Dec 1, 2015 instead of Dec 1, 2016?

Also, just as a point of reference, back a number of years ago you did say that the segments did stack with the completed rod, so that you were encouraging people to get two sets so they could use both the rod and the individual segments. So maybe you will get some pushback on the change of direction now to not allow them to stack, but hopefully that will be mitigated by the completed rod including the individual rod segments bonuses.

I'm looking forward to seeing the stats on the new sub-character classes! Since the ability is only usable once per year, I could see this same bonus as the ability for the next 7 UR Eldritch Item also, so that people could do another run or two with the sub-classes.

So he changed his mind about double dipping.
Now you either make two complete rods or you sell the second one

I'm sure I'll get a big cup of Haterade from the rest of the community on this opinion, but I'm glad the two items don't stack (completed and segments).

My reasoning is that first, it would be a little silly from a purely RP perspective to have both the pieces of a crazy powerful artifact AND the completed artifact at the same time. (I also realize from a RP perspective it's still silly that many people could be on the same run with multiple copies of the artifact that in lore was one of a kind, but that's what separates this item from being even more powerful such as one of the many soulforged unique recipe items)

My second reasoning is that by the bonuses not stacking, there's certainly more incentive to forge the pieces. The bonuses from multiple forged rods may not stack directly, but it sounds like based on how the sub-class vouchers work, if you had two completed rods you could make two vouchers each year, either to use yourself, or to even gift/sell to other players.

If you're not able to "gift" the voucher to another player, then there would be even more incentive to trade the spare rod, which would give newer but very eager players that haven't been around from the beginning an opportunity to get in on a cool ability that might otherwise be hoarded for the small +1 bumps.

I totally agree the combination of the segments and completed rod not stacking and the ability of the rod to play a sub-class only usable once per year gives great incentive to transmute all rods, and to keep more than one rod if you have multiple rods.

Jeff, I would suggest that you back off of the "never put Rod Segment 1's in the treasure box" statement. You may find that the value of and demand for the Rod Segment 1's drops so far after the deadline to transmute that it isn't a big impact to put them in the treasure boxes along with other segments. And I don't really see any downside to putting Rod Segment 1's in the boxes after the transmute deadline, while there is a big upside in that you'll be making some people really happy to pull one.

Mike Steele wrote: I totally agree the combination of the segments and completed rod not stacking and the ability of the rod to play a sub-class only usable once per year gives great incentive to transmute all rods, and to keep more than one rod if you have multiple rods.

Jeff, I would suggest that you back off of the "never put Rod Segment 1's in the treasure box" statement. You may find that the value of and demand for the Rod Segment 1's drops so far after the deadline to transmute that it isn't a big impact to put them in the treasure boxes along with other segments. And I don't really see any downside to putting Rod Segment 1's in the boxes after the transmute deadline, while there is a big upside in that you'll be making some people really happy to pull one.

While i also wouldnt mind seg 1 in treasure box after transmute deadline, i was always planning to transmute both of mine. I think jeff needs to hear the opinion of the few collectors who actually keep one of everything. Would they be upset if their special collectible given to early big buyers was being passed out to anyone? At least if it will be put in treasure boxes, announce it now so those collectors have the option of transmuting it and picking up another later.

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: I totally agree the combination of the segments and completed rod not stacking and the ability of the rod to play a sub-class only usable once per year gives great incentive to transmute all rods, and to keep more than one rod if you have multiple rods.

Jeff, I would suggest that you back off of the "never put Rod Segment 1's in the treasure box" statement. You may find that the value of and demand for the Rod Segment 1's drops so far after the deadline to transmute that it isn't a big impact to put them in the treasure boxes along with other segments. And I don't really see any downside to putting Rod Segment 1's in the boxes after the transmute deadline, while there is a big upside in that you'll be making some people really happy to pull one.

While i also wouldnt mind seg 1 in treasure box after transmute deadline, i was always planning to transmute both of mine. I think jeff needs to hear the opinion of the few collectors who actually keep one of everything. Would they be upset if their special collectible given to early big buyers was being passed out to anyone? At least if it will be put in treasure boxes, announce it now so those collectors have the option of transmuting it and picking up another later.

That would seem to be a win for everyone, the completist collectors could transmute another copy of the Rod, and know that they would have the opportunity later to get a replacement of the Segment 1 from the boxes.

Mike Steele wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: I totally agree the combination of the segments and completed rod not stacking and the ability of the rod to play a sub-class only usable once per year gives great incentive to transmute all rods, and to keep more than one rod if you have multiple rods.

Jeff, I would suggest that you back off of the "never put Rod Segment 1's in the treasure box" statement. You may find that the value of and demand for the Rod Segment 1's drops so far after the deadline to transmute that it isn't a big impact to put them in the treasure boxes along with other segments. And I don't really see any downside to putting Rod Segment 1's in the boxes after the transmute deadline, while there is a big upside in that you'll be making some people really happy to pull one.

While i also wouldnt mind seg 1 in treasure box after transmute deadline, i was always planning to transmute both of mine. I think jeff needs to hear the opinion of the few collectors who actually keep one of everything. Would they be upset if their special collectible given to early big buyers was being passed out to anyone? At least if it will be put in treasure boxes, announce it now so those collectors have the option of transmuting it and picking up another later.

That would seem to be a win for everyone, the completest collectors could transmute another copy of the Rod, and know that they would have the opportunity later to get a replacement of the Segment 1 from the boxes.

I would add that the number of Rod Segment: 1 won't increase, so there will still be the small number (10-20) in existence. The odds of getting a Segment 1 versus 5-7 will be greatly different.

Do you think there are only 10-20 Rod Segment 1's in existence? I suspect the number is a lot higher than that.

Mike Steele wrote: Do you think there are only 10-20 Rod Segment 1's in existence? I suspect the number is a lot higher than that.

I would like to think that there are, Mike, but I have heard quite a few people talk about the number being in that range. Would love for there to be at least 3 to 4 times that many

As a sidebar I'd be curious if teeth of the cadaver will grant a second window to access the same subclasses eight or when its completed eight or so years from now or if its going to be a different cool power?