TOPIC: Counterfeit Token Concerns

Druegar wrote:

Kaledor wrote: I think Dave is right about not getting the coached involved.

That's fine, but that's a different issue. In 2015, Jeff wanted coaches to inspect and tally treasure enhancing tokens. So we did. Therefore, in 2015, if a player had a high-value treasure enhancing token in a binder and refused to let me inspect it, I would be HIGHLY suspicious and almost certainly would not allow the player to use it.

In 2016, if Jeff decides he wants to implement some other policy to reduce fraud, I'm cool with that.

What does a coach do when they think they have spotted a fake token though? I've called an AC to have questionable tokens inspected twice in my tenure. Once they were able to make it in time, the other no one was available to escalate too before the group launched and the fakes went through. The current policy only really lets up raise the flag if we see something suspicious, I don't think we actually have the authority call out fakes or reject tokens.

Coaches should most certainly be allowed to touch tokens.
Rule number 1 be ready to put all your tokens out on the mat.
Be thankful they only want to touch one or two.
Yes most coaches are super nice and flip through books folders and the like.


As for should coaches check for fakes? Well coaches should attempt to do what Jeff wants a them to do to the best of their ability, if that's looking for obvious fakes then that's what we do. If we find something odd we have a radio to use.

The problem with an offline system is it makes work for someone. Either they must be paid, or they have to not do something else. Either way, it's an expense, and I don't like asking Jeff to find an official registrar for tracking things he's not a party to once the original token leaves the Department of Transmutation.

An alternative is the way we do it now with RoSP. The downside of that is a complete lack of privacy. Some people don't want everyone to know what's In their collection.

Picc wrote: What does a coach do when they think they have spotted a fake token though? I've called an AC to have questionable tokens inspected twice in my tenure. Once they were able to make it in time, the other no one was available to escalate too before the group launched and the fakes went through.

Coaches should contact their Coach Coordinator, not an Adventure Coordinator.

If the CC can't get to you by the time the party enters the dungeon, make a note of the party's time slot and the player(s) in question. Let the CC know you had a suspicious token. The CC can then contact a Director who can be ready for them when they enter the epilogue room.

Brad Mortensen wrote: The downside of that is a complete lack of privacy. Some people don't want everyone to know what's In their collection.

YES!!!

Unless I'm currently grouped with you*, my tokens are none of your damn business.

*the general "you"

Druegar wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: The downside of that is a complete lack of privacy. Some people don't want everyone to know what's In their collection.

YES!!!

Unless I'm currently grouped with you*, my tokens are none of your damn business.

*the general "you"

I just assume you have everything and multiples of everything. It's the only way to be sure.

I don't particularly care if anyone knows what I have...but then, it's a small collection anyway. I can see concern for those who have quite a bit more.

Druegar wrote:

Kaledor wrote: I think Dave is right about not getting the coached involved.

That's fine, but that's a different issue. In 2015, Jeff wanted coaches to inspect and tally treasure enhancing tokens. So we did. Therefore, in 2015, if a player had a high-value treasure enhancing token in a binder and refused to let me inspect it, I would be HIGHLY suspicious and almost certainly would not allow the player to use it.

In 2016, if Jeff decides he wants to implement some other policy to reduce fraud, I'm cool with that.

If this happened to me, I would ask for a Coach Coordinator or Director. And then *they* can touch and inspect my token (instead of some random coach who I may or may not know).

Incognito wrote:

Druegar wrote:

Kaledor wrote: I think Dave is right about not getting the coached involved.

That's fine, but that's a different issue. In 2015, Jeff wanted coaches to inspect and tally treasure enhancing tokens. So we did. Therefore, in 2015, if a player had a high-value treasure enhancing token in a binder and refused to let me inspect it, I would be HIGHLY suspicious and almost certainly would not allow the player to use it.

In 2016, if Jeff decides he wants to implement some other policy to reduce fraud, I'm cool with that.

If this happened to me, I would ask for a Coach Coordinator or Director. And then *they* can touch and inspect my token (instead of some random coach who I may or may not know).

This could cause massive slow downs and possible player tempers to rise. As the situation before if player A purchased a fake token and someone now says they can not use it after dropping a lot of money you could have a situation on your hands.

I go with what Dave said it is their loss to cheat if they are doing it on purpose. If it is an innocent person that did not know, would they feel they have been punished? I would think not to get in that situation. Just me.

Picc wrote:

Druegar wrote:

Kaledor wrote: I think Dave is right about not getting the coached involved.

That's fine, but that's a different issue. In 2015, Jeff wanted coaches to inspect and tally treasure enhancing tokens. So we did. Therefore, in 2015, if a player had a high-value treasure enhancing token in a binder and refused to let me inspect it, I would be HIGHLY suspicious and almost certainly would not allow the player to use it.

In 2016, if Jeff decides he wants to implement some other policy to reduce fraud, I'm cool with that.

What does a coach do when they think they have spotted a fake token though? I've called an AC to have questionable tokens inspected twice in my tenure. Once they were able to make it in time, the other no one was available to escalate too before the group launched and the fakes went through. The current policy only really lets up raise the flag if we see something suspicious, I don't think we actually have the authority call out fakes or reject tokens.

Is TD or someone going to tell a person who purchased a fake for 800 that they cannot use it? I do not think that is the answer. The guy/gal just got ripped off and now a coach is going to tell them they cannot use it? That would be pretty poss poor.

Kaledor wrote:

Picc wrote:

Druegar wrote:

Kaledor wrote: I think Dave is right about not getting the coached involved.

That's fine, but that's a different issue. In 2015, Jeff wanted coaches to inspect and tally treasure enhancing tokens. So we did. Therefore, in 2015, if a player had a high-value treasure enhancing token in a binder and refused to let me inspect it, I would be HIGHLY suspicious and almost certainly would not allow the player to use it.

In 2016, if Jeff decides he wants to implement some other policy to reduce fraud, I'm cool with that.

What does a coach do when they think they have spotted a fake token though? I've called an AC to have questionable tokens inspected twice in my tenure. Once they were able to make it in time, the other no one was available to escalate too before the group launched and the fakes went through. The current policy only really lets up raise the flag if we see something suspicious, I don't think we actually have the authority call out fakes or reject tokens.

Is TD or someone going to tell a person who purchased a fake for 800 that they cannot use it? I do not think that is the answer. The guy/gal just got ripped off and now a coach is going to tell them they cannot use it? That would be pretty poss poor.

will a casino let you trade in fake poker chips?
will the government let you use fake money...even if you got it from a bank

the answer is no...and you dont get it reimbursed from them either

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Kaledor wrote:

Picc wrote:

Druegar wrote:

Kaledor wrote: I think Dave is right about not getting the coached involved.

That's fine, but that's a different issue. In 2015, Jeff wanted coaches to inspect and tally treasure enhancing tokens. So we did. Therefore, in 2015, if a player had a high-value treasure enhancing token in a binder and refused to let me inspect it, I would be HIGHLY suspicious and almost certainly would not allow the player to use it.

In 2016, if Jeff decides he wants to implement some other policy to reduce fraud, I'm cool with that.

What does a coach do when they think they have spotted a fake token though? I've called an AC to have questionable tokens inspected twice in my tenure. Once they were able to make it in time, the other no one was available to escalate too before the group launched and the fakes went through. The current policy only really lets up raise the flag if we see something suspicious, I don't think we actually have the authority call out fakes or reject tokens.

Is TD or someone going to tell a person who purchased a fake for 800 that they cannot use it? I do not think that is the answer. The guy/gal just got ripped off and now a coach is going to tell them they cannot use it? That would be pretty poss poor.

will a casino let you trade in fake poker chips?
will the government let you use fake money...even if you got it from a bank

the answer is no...and you dont get it reimbursed from them either

Bad news of that magnitude shouldn't be delivered by a volunteer. It would be better if it were handled by a director of higher.

Druegar wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote: The downside of that is a complete lack of privacy. Some people don't want everyone to know what's In their collection.

YES!!!

Unless I'm currently grouped with you*, my tokens are none of your damn business.

*the general "you"

Exactly why the registration system I propose prevents anybody from knowing your collection unless you choose to share it.