TOPIC: Counterfeit Token Concerns

Brad Mortensen wrote: I was with you up until the last one.

That's why I made it a tiered suggestion, I'd be fine with any of it, happiest with all of it

Id be thrilled if we could

1) have a different color back for high value relics
2) have said tokens numbered
3) have future tokens printed with some kind UV reactive ink (would give us an easy check against most homeprint/print on demand stickers)

4) (just because it would be awesome) Premium Foil Tokens!

I think serial numbers and scanning would be cool

I don't think a registration system would be good because it would make it hard to sell and trade tokens.

Say a shady person legitimately bought a serial numbered token and registered it. Said shady person could then sell it or trade it to an unknowing person and claim it was stolen or lost.

Pstyle wrote: I think serial numbers and scanning would be cool

I don't think a registration system would be good because it would make it hard to sell and trade tokens.

Say a shady person legitimately bought a serial numbered token and registered it. Said shady person could then sell it or trade it to an unknowing person and claim it was stolen or lost.

We already have an unofficial list of RoSPs, so once we have numbers there will be a method of tracking them, but it would be best if it was official.

Perhaps we could fit a link to the registration site next to the serial number so the buyer knows about it.

I think the more simple the solution, the better.

It would be ideal if Jeff (or an official representative) could offer a verification service to pass tokens through in the event of a trade or sale, to verify legitimacy. I realize Jeff has been kind enough to do this occasionally, but a paid service would be more fair to him I think.

I want to buy a Charm of Avarice? I could take the risk and just buy it as usual, but I would be willing to - for instance - send $25 to Jeff and have the token shipped to him first, then directly to me from him if it's legit.

Registration systems can get hairy and complicated really quickly, and will never be 100% accurate. Having expensive tokens pass through Jeff first would also allow him to create all sorts of anti-counterfeit measures that would not need to be made public (and thus would remain much more secure).

Garrison wrote: I think the more simple the solution, the better.

It would be ideal if Jeff (or an official representative) could offer a verification service to pass tokens through in the event of a trade or sale, to verify legitimacy. I realize Jeff has been kind enough to do this occasionally, but a paid service would be more fair to him I think.

I want to buy a Charm of Avarice? I could take the risk and just buy it as usual, but I would be willing to - for instance - send $25 to Jeff and have the token shipped to him first, then directly to me from him if it's legit.

Registration systems can get hairy and complicated really quickly, and will never be 100% accurate. Having expensive tokens pass through Jeff first would also allow him to create all sorts of anti-counterfeit measures that would not need to be made public (and thus would remain much more secure).

So sort of like an escrow service?

Garrison wrote: I think the more simple the solution, the better.

It would be ideal if Jeff (or an official representative) could offer a verification service to pass tokens through in the event of a trade or sale, to verify legitimacy. I realize Jeff has been kind enough to do this occasionally, but a paid service would be more fair to him I think.

I want to buy a Charm of Avarice? I could take the risk and just buy it as usual, but I would be willing to - for instance - send $25 to Jeff and have the token shipped to him first, then directly to me from him if it's legit.

Registration systems can get hairy and complicated really quickly, and will never be 100% accurate. Having expensive tokens pass through Jeff first would also allow him to create all sorts of anti-counterfeit measures that would not need to be made public (and thus would remain much more secure).

if there would be a charge for something like this, you could count me out...I would actually get out of the token business

All that is needed here to prevent fakes is a number application on high value tokens, as we now have with the ROSP.

We don't need token shepherds, over reaching management of private trading, or additional complications and cost burdens.

You would think Obama was calling the shots for heaven's sakes.

I'm sure any escrow service would be optional.

Picc wrote: Id be thrilled if we could

1) have a different color back for high value relics
2) have said tokens numbered
3) have future tokens printed with some kind UV reactive ink (would give us an easy check against most homeprint/print on demand stickers)

4) (just because it would be awesome) Premium Foil Tokens!

Did we not give these same suggestion last year?

Kaledor wrote:

Picc wrote: Id be thrilled if we could

1) have a different color back for high value relics
2) have said tokens numbered
3) have future tokens printed with some kind UV reactive ink (would give us an easy check against most homeprint/print on demand stickers)

4) (just because it would be awesome) Premium Foil Tokens!

Did we not give these same suggestion last year?

Its quite possible, don't remember to be honest (time to dig into the archives).

CrowOfPyke wrote: How are we supposed to be able to tell if a token is counterfeit?

Problem with sharing this info is that it also lets the counterfeiters improve their product.

If someone has a token that they think is counterfeit, I'd suggest bringing it to TD staff at an event, or dealing with it through email (pictures to start, snail mail if necessary). Having valuable tokens verified through a central body is going to produce far less issues than an entire TD internet community trying their hand at art forgery detection.

Cavor wrote: RFID could make it easy though it might be too expensive.

While the tokens themselves are hardy and seemingly nigh indestructible, this would require extra efforts to make sure that any 'false positives' were checked regarding a damaged or otherwise malfunctioning (but Real) token.

Plus it could add further issues for sellers and resllers. I've found a few sites that'll sell sealed 10 packs.

Given them a manner of knowing for a fact what was in the sealed pack (especially if only the high value tokens are 'chipped') would have some unfortunate unintended consequences.

Disbeeleaf wrote: You would think Obama was calling the shots for heaven's sakes.

Don't worry, I'm sure President Trump will make this a top priority.