TOPIC: Monster Trophies at Origins - Can we get an official response before Gen Con?

Jeff Martin wrote: Thanks for giving me a good platform to talk about this.

I had no plans to make the Monster Bits less frequent this year. In fact, I ordered the same number as last time. However, what I screwed up was the fact that we were making a LOT more random treasure in 2019, and I should have increased the number of Monster Bits...instead of ordering the same. So, either fortunately or unfortunately (depending on the camp you are in) there is a smaller percentage of Monster Bits in the random treasure. The rates you saw at Origins will be the same at all other Cons in the 2019 season.

Thank you for the response and clarification. Your upfront response makes it easier for me to plan.

Jeff Martin wrote: Thanks for giving me a good platform to talk about this.

I had no plans to make the Monster Bits less frequent this year. In fact, I ordered the same number as last time. However, what I screwed up was the fact that we were making a LOT more random treasure in 2019, and I should have increased the number of Monster Bits...instead of ordering the same. So, either fortunately or unfortunately (depending on the camp you are in) there is a smaller percentage of Monster Bits in the random treasure. The rates you saw at Origins will be the same at all other Cons in the 2019 season.

Thank you sir that is all I wanted to know.

Thanks Jeff. You weren't obligated to answer, but that does help in the planning.

In retrospect, there may have been a side benefit. You ran out of Lucky Traveler beads on Saturday. If we had gotten more MB, you likely would have run out early on Friday.

Based on the number of runs I intend to do this year, I now anticipate pulling 24 bits. I have 10 full sets of 4 from the prior 3 years. So, at best I’ll be making 4 beads. And then 7 fleeces. (6*4*3)

In any case, now I don’t need to be worried because I only got 5 of the rare beads in my token order. That’s not the limiting factor anymore.

All the people who said the treasure mix would wind up being diluted can say “told ya.” Even if it was unintentional.

Still, it’s better to know. Thanks for communicating.

I picked the wrong year to miss Gen Con. The small # of draws that I am having a friend make will have to be WAY above average to get the 6 bits to make my BofLT.

Brad Mortensen wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Rob F wrote: I don't feel that TD needs to tell us anything regarding the percentage of the treasure mix. For any year. It's treasure, you get what you get. If monster bits are less this year and people aren't getting as many as they wanted then either go on more runs or get creative with some trading. If someone can only transmute 5 Beads vs. 10 then oh well. You can only use one Bead on a run anyway. Enjoy the hunt I say!! Cuz at the end of the day it is what it is.

Except Jeff had stated that the ratio wasn’t changing till next year. Again it is fine if it is changing this just that is not what he had previously said so understanding if it is a mistake or the plan or really bad pulls is important. If some needs more monster bits and wants to trade for them knowing their rarity helps determine their value.

The treasure mix was always announced in the past. It was announced for 2019. What was said doesn’t match what we’ve seen. I don’t think JediBCG’s request is unreasonable. And sure, it’s their game so they can change the rules anytime they like, with or without explanation.

This is also not the first time something like this has happened - a few years back - maybe 2015? There was an announced proposed mix. It had monster bits at some percentage.

Then, at the cons according to our tracking spreadheets, it seems the monster bit percentage was considerably lower (I'm talking like a 10% difference).

I think it's wise to temper any expectations about what the mix should be.

Knowing this information going forward should this allow for any combo item made in next years tokens to substitute gold I stead of monster bits?

Adam Guay wrote: Knowing this information going forward should this allow for any combo item made in next years tokens to substitute gold I stead of monster bits?

I would like that, but it would depend on what TPTB want to happen in terms of transmutes.

If they require bits, there will likely be fewer crafted, which would increase their relative value when pulled.

Jeff Martin wrote: Thanks for giving me a good platform to talk about this.

I had no plans to make the Monster Bits less frequent this year. In fact, I ordered the same number as last time. However, what I screwed up was the fact that we were making a LOT more random treasure in 2019, and I should have increased the number of Monster Bits...instead of ordering the same. So, either fortunately or unfortunately (depending on the camp you are in) there is a smaller percentage of Monster Bits in the random treasure. The rates you saw at Origins will be the same at all other Cons in the 2019 season.

Thanks Jeff! Really appreciate the info.

So if the monster bits stayed constant and the random treasure went up, based on the percentage of 2018 vs 2019 monster bits, the random treasure has an increase of at least 100% from 2018. That's a ton!

Could be more people playing TD at the same cons, could be more cons.

Dathum wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: Thanks for giving me a good platform to talk about this.

I had no plans to make the Monster Bits less frequent this year. In fact, I ordered the same number as last time. However, what I screwed up was the fact that we were making a LOT more random treasure in 2019, and I should have increased the number of Monster Bits...instead of ordering the same. So, either fortunately or unfortunately (depending on the camp you are in) there is a smaller percentage of Monster Bits in the random treasure. The rates you saw at Origins will be the same at all other Cons in the 2019 season.

Thanks Jeff! Really appreciate the info.

So if the monster bits stayed constant and the random treasure went up, based on the percentage of 2018 vs 2019 monster bits, the random treasure has an increase of at least 100% from 2018. That's a ton!

Could be more people playing TD at the same cons, could be more cons.

And more draws per player on average.

Matthew Hayward wrote:

Brad Mortensen wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Rob F wrote: I don't feel that TD needs to tell us anything regarding the percentage of the treasure mix. For any year. It's treasure, you get what you get. If monster bits are less this year and people aren't getting as many as they wanted then either go on more runs or get creative with some trading. If someone can only transmute 5 Beads vs. 10 then oh well. You can only use one Bead on a run anyway. Enjoy the hunt I say!! Cuz at the end of the day it is what it is.

Except Jeff had stated that the ratio wasn’t changing till next year. Again it is fine if it is changing this just that is not what he had previously said so understanding if it is a mistake or the plan or really bad pulls is important. If some needs more monster bits and wants to trade for them knowing their rarity helps determine their value.

The treasure mix was always announced in the past. It was announced for 2019. What was said doesn’t match what we’ve seen. I don’t think JediBCG’s request is unreasonable. And sure, it’s their game so they can change the rules anytime they like, with or without explanation.

This is also not the first time something like this has happened - a few years back - maybe 2015? There was an announced proposed mix. It had monster bits at some percentage.

Then, at the cons according to our tracking spreadheets, it seems the monster bit percentage was considerably lower (I'm talking like a 10% difference).

I think it's wise to temper any expectations about what the mix should be.

i will look but i don’t recall that. nice that we still have the data to look.

Do we know if this also reduces the "other" percent that includes URs, trade tokens, reserve bars, and transmuted tokens?
I'm wondering if the "extra" portion consists of the uncommon and rares that include the treasure box exclusive tokens (greaves, rare amulet, etc) that are printed as uncommons or rares.