TOPIC: QTR 2021 Beta

jedibcg vuvuzela hater wrote: a ruling about how they could interact with Skull of Cavadar.

I think this is extremely important whether that ruling be in the QTR or tokendb as it will influence some people's decision.

jedibcg vuvuzela hater wrote: I would like to recommend an alternate recipe for Skull of Cavadar. Since we haven't have any word about uses for UR Psychic Enablers, and there has been some disenchantment regarding them (in particular the Semi-Lich Skull). Maybe either recipe that uses an UR Psychic Imbuer ( tokendb.com/Misc/psychic-imbue/ ) for a few less trade goods. OR a ruling about how they could interact with Skull of Cavadar.

Given that I brought this up several times during token development, I should probably toss a +1 on this. So +1!

Fiddy wrote:

jedibcg vuvuzela hater wrote: I would like to recommend an alternate recipe for Skull of Cavadar. Since we haven't have any word about uses for UR Psychic Enablers, and there has been some disenchantment regarding them (in particular the Semi-Lich Skull). Maybe either recipe that uses an UR Psychic Imbuer ( tokendb.com/Misc/psychic-imbue/ ) for a few less trade goods. OR a ruling about how they could interact with Skull of Cavadar.

Given that I brought this up several times during token development, I should probably toss a +1 on this. So +1!

Concur.

Harlax wrote:

Lequinian wrote:

Druegar wrote: The recipes for FoP: Horror and Reaver have been adjusted.

Figurine of Power: Horror

• 5 different Completion tokens (any rarity) from any of these Virtual True Dungeon Adventures:
• • VTD1 (a and/or b)
  • VTD2 (a and/or b)
  • VTD3 (a and/or b)
  • VTD4 (a and/or b)
  • VTD5 (a and/or b)
• 500 GP

Figurine of Power: Reaver

• 5 different Rare Completion tokens from any of these Virtual True Dungeon Adventures:
• • VTD1 (a and/or b)
  • VTD2 (a and/or b)
  • VTD3 (a and/or b)
  • VTD4 (a and/or b)
  • VTD5 (a and/or b)
• 1,000 GP Gold Bar (not 1k in “loose change”)
  plus ONLY ONE of the following:
• • Hitchhiking Ghost: Bog
  • Hitchhiking Ghost: Flog
  • Hitchhiking Ghost: Gog
  • Hitchhiking Ghost: Mog
  • Hitchhiking Ghost: Shog

(sorry for the double-bullets, hopefully it's not too confusing)

FYI: I'm not going to manually post all the recipe adjustments, but this is a special situation which I thought warranted posting these specific changes ahead of a new QTR beta.

Respectfully, please consider dropping the gold requirement entirely.

Reason: it wasn't in original recipe.
Reason: these transmutes were/are drivers for VTD including the ones with less desirable completion tokens and upping their cost (if only by the gold) makes the cost/benefit that much harder.

+1

+2

Can we move Ring of the Siren to the crafting recipe for the Wizard Legendary, swap out the Psyferre's Spectacles? The Ring is designed to boost Druids or Wizards and is used in the Cleric Legendary for some reason.

I think most of the 2020 recipes got pulled from an earlier version of the recipes than the one that ultimately got finalized last year. It looks like the current file has the recipes before Darkwood Planks and Mystic Silk were increased while other materials were reduced. As a result I think all of the 2020 Relic and Legendary recipes are off in a number of places. My hope is there is a different file you can pull them from, or from tokendb directly. As an example, for +3 Holy Avenger here are the things tokendb has that are different from the file

tokendb allows +2 Holy Greatsword

tokendb has 1 Aragonite

tokendb has 25 Darkwood Plank

tokendb has 10 Dwarven Steel

tokendb has 1 Elven Bismuth

tokendb has 10 Minotaur Hide

tokendb has 25 Mystic Silk

tokendb has 15 Philosopher's Stone

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Can we move Ring of the Siren to the crafting recipe for the Wizard Legendary, swap out the Psyferre's Spectacles? The Ring is designed to boost Druids or Wizards and is used in the Cleric Legendary for some reason.

I would expect to see Ring of Expertise before Siren, it's a lot closer in power for wizards as Quick Blessing is for Clerics.

NightGod wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: Can we move Ring of the Siren to the crafting recipe for the Wizard Legendary, swap out the Psyferre's Spectacles? The Ring is designed to boost Druids or Wizards and is used in the Cleric Legendary for some reason.

I would expect to see Ring of Expertise before Siren, it's a lot closer in power for wizards as Quick Blessing is for Clerics.

Ring of the Siren is already in a recipie though.

Ultimately I really hope Ring of the Siren and Charm of the Faerie get used somewhere.

Amulet of Noble Might:
I thought there was going to be an option to use Medallion of Sweetwoods, Stu-Pendous Pendant, or Amulet of the Champion?

Viv’s:
I think using Rod of the Meek and Axe of the Dwarvish Kings is perfect. These weapons are both situationally good, so I like the option to eat some up in a legendary.

Sacred Necklace:
Ring of Quick Blessing makes perfect sense.

Druegar’s:
Choosing Shield of the Scholar and Ring of the Siren targets two less desirable URs, perfect.

Mage Medallion:
Yep, it has to start at MEC.

Ashenne’s:
I think this should use Charm of the Faerie because it is one of the least desirable URs not yet used. The second UR should be either Ring of Expertise or Pants of Focus, I am not sure which is better to include so I am happy with either choice.

Skull of Cavadar:
Please remove the Golden Fleece. Jeff promised a reduction of GF in costs and we had an unexpected event that decreased the MBs going out into the supply of players. If it will be required, please give a strong design explanation for why and what justified the change from the original plan. It already hurts to lose the event in 2021 and then to hear the interaction with Semi-Lich Skull, please stop kicking us in the teeth (of Cavadar).
I would also love to see an option for the 7 teeth plus one psychic imbuer in lieu of trade tokens or one last chance to reconsider the interaction with those tokens.

Druegar wrote: Wade: I'm not aware of any plans for a 4C token at this time.

That's too bad... The 4C recipes are my favorite thing to collect treasure for by far. They are the main reason I do multiple runs to collect extra sets of Monster Trophies. They are also the tokens I feel most proud of owning because I "adventured" for them.

I am glad that we have the Reaver and Horror transmutes. The completion token transmutes are also among my favorites, when we have them.

Michael wrote: I think most of the 2020 recipes got pulled from an earlier version of the recipes than the one that ultimately got finalized last year.

They sure did!
Thanks for catching that.

Anthony Barnstable wrote: Amulet of Noble Might:
I thought there was going to be an option to use Medallion of Sweetwoods, Stu-Pendous Pendant, or Amulet of the Champion?

Viv’s:
I think using Rod of the Meek and Axe of the Dwarvish Kings is perfect. These weapons are both situationally good, so I like the option to eat some up in a legendary.

Sacred Necklace:
Ring of Quick Blessing makes perfect sense.

Druegar’s:
Choosing Shield of the Scholar and Ring of the Siren targets two less desirable URs, perfect.

Mage Medallion:
Yep, it has to start at MEC.

Ashenne’s:
I think this should use Charm of the Faerie because it is one of the least desirable URs not yet used. The second UR should be either Ring of Expertise or Pants of Focus, I am not sure which is better to include so I am happy with either choice.

Skull of Cavadar:
Please remove the Golden Fleece. Jeff promised a reduction of GF in costs and we had an unexpected event that decreased the MBs going out into the supply of players. If it will be required, please give a strong design explanation for why and what justified the change from the original plan. It already hurts to lose the event in 2021 and then to hear the interaction with Semi-Lich Skull, please stop kicking us in the teeth (of Cavadar).
I would also love to see an option for the 7 teeth plus one psychic imbuer in lieu of trade tokens or one last chance to reconsider the interaction with those tokens.

Shield of the scholar is undesirable? News to me. Not only were there lots of requests for reprint, but our group spent a fair amount of time tracking one down (prior to the reprint of course).

I’d prefer to see the shield pulled out of the transmute and replaced by charm of the faerie or psyferre’s , both of which are likely to be less popular overall. That should leave more shields around long term for people to pickup.