TOPIC: PTD treasure enhancer policy

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote: so these hold the tokens with the plastic cases still on them?

They do.

Wade is correct! The token goes into the plastic capsule (exact same as TD uses), the plastic capsules go into the hard plastic sheets, and the sheets go into the binder. I'll have more info about them on my site soon!

lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:

Endgame wrote: If there was a combined rfid nugget, it would only be 2 tokens to verify per person at the start and end.

For people that hold all the TEs for a party, there could be a Recommended way to pack / store 10 CoAs and 10 rfid mega nuggets for extremely fast verification. For example, use these binder sheets:

www.lighthouse.us/classic-grande-3-ring-album-with-6-pages-encap-44-45.html

Populate only the outer sides of the sheet, And rig up 5 rfid readers to match the spacing. Hold the sheet under the reader and validate 5x CoAs. Flip it around, validate the other 5. Then do the same with rfid nuggets

You are not suppose to take the RFID tokens out of the plastic case

Can the reader read the chip with the case on? At GenCon 19 there were problems getting some phones to read and (as I recall) sometimes CoAS had to be removed from case. Shrug.

Since I’m here...
- triple nugget / triple IS slot / rfid token sounds awesome.

- the end of run process can be cumbersome with all the rfids (and side deals) from the party. And I just have 2 sets.

- for those people with 10x... and I don’t know if we’re talking dozen or dozens or hundreds... and assuming the chip has a unique unchangeable ID embedded... what if they register their 10x CoA tokens at beginning of con. App reads their rfid ID and then they can be looked up at end of runs for their groups treasure count. No need to carry and they can be left in room. If someone tries to use/register a token with a “in use” rfid ID, the Orcs are summoned and “discussions“ ensue. It means you can’t register and then sell a CoA easily, but that use case can be solved. For those that don’t like big brother, carry the weight. Easy peasy?

- there are opportunities for preventing sharing by tracking CoA Ids, but I assume that’s already been discussed.

- and for the completely nutso suggestion... Charm of Completely Insane Avarice... single token with RFID. Soulforged to bearer. CoA for all party members (max 5 ghosts). Only uses Charm slot of bearer. Bearer must be a Xth level or higher. Cost: 10x CoA, 100k gold, 2 Legendaries (your choice).

Lequinian wrote: - and for the completely nutso suggestion... Charm of Completely Insane Avarice... single token with RFID. Soulforged to bearer. CoA for all party members (max 5 ghosts). Only uses Charm slot of bearer. Bearer must be a Xth level or higher. Cost: 10x CoA, 100k gold, 2 Legendaries (your choice).

At first glance I thought this was a terrible joke suggestion, and then I realized it’s soul forged and costs like $20000-25000 at current rates, all for a token you’ll never be able to sell back to recoup costs.

I love it! Haha

Trent wrote:

Endgame wrote:

balthasar wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Maybe there's a middle ground.

You show all your treasure enhancers to someone specific at the front and take them out of the casing. That person verifies the tokens are legit and signs and dates a sticker/note/document that is good for the day or con. Then in training you have to show the tokens and verification to the coach, but don't have to take them out of their casing.

You still need to get the TE's inspected to prove they aren't fake. But you only have to do it once a day/event.

Someone could get their real ones verified twice and then let someone use the second verification with fake tokens. I know the odds of that should be low, but it is a way around the system. Having them checked at both ends is the best way to avoid any shady activity.

If there was a combined rfid nugget, it would only be 2 tokens to verify per person at the start and end.

For people that hold all the TEs for a party, there could be a Recommended way to pack / store 10 CoAs and 10 rfid mega nuggets for extremely fast verification. For example, use these binder sheets:

www.lighthouse.us/classic-grande-3-ring-album-with-6-pages-encap-44-45.html

Populate only the outer sides of the sheet, And rig up 5 rfid readers to match the spacing. Hold the sheet under the reader and validate 5x CoAs. Flip it around, validate the other 5. Then do the same with rfid nuggets

I'm actually about to start stocking those binders and pages on my site.

I like to personally test things before I recommend them and I've been using that binder and the sheets for a while now. I call it my Binder of Sharing, and it has room for 90 tokens, so it's really great for anyone who wants to store multiple Charms of Avarice, Skulls of Cavadar, or any other token that they want to have in the plastic capsules that TD provides. I'll also start carrying the same capsules that TD provides in case anyone wants any.

I'm an authorized reseller of Lighthouse products, so I'll be able to sell them at a lower price that what you see on their site.

Trent, I might have to buy a couple of sheets of those from you. Although I don't think my backpack of tokens for the group has room for another binder for RFID tokens in sleeves - it's a tight fit as is.

Mike Steele wrote:

Trent wrote:

Endgame wrote:

balthasar wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Maybe there's a middle ground.

You show all your treasure enhancers to someone specific at the front and take them out of the casing. That person verifies the tokens are legit and signs and dates a sticker/note/document that is good for the day or con. Then in training you have to show the tokens and verification to the coach, but don't have to take them out of their casing.

You still need to get the TE's inspected to prove they aren't fake. But you only have to do it once a day/event.

Someone could get their real ones verified twice and then let someone use the second verification with fake tokens. I know the odds of that should be low, but it is a way around the system. Having them checked at both ends is the best way to avoid any shady activity.

If there was a combined rfid nugget, it would only be 2 tokens to verify per person at the start and end.

For people that hold all the TEs for a party, there could be a Recommended way to pack / store 10 CoAs and 10 rfid mega nuggets for extremely fast verification. For example, use these binder sheets:

www.lighthouse.us/classic-grande-3-ring-album-with-6-pages-encap-44-45.html

Populate only the outer sides of the sheet, And rig up 5 rfid readers to match the spacing. Hold the sheet under the reader and validate 5x CoAs. Flip it around, validate the other 5. Then do the same with rfid nuggets

I'm actually about to start stocking those binders and pages on my site.

I like to personally test things before I recommend them and I've been using that binder and the sheets for a while now. I call it my Binder of Sharing, and it has room for 90 tokens, so it's really great for anyone who wants to store multiple Charms of Avarice, Skulls of Cavadar, or any other token that they want to have in the plastic capsules that TD provides. I'll also start carrying the same capsules that TD provides in case anyone wants any.

I'm an authorized reseller of Lighthouse products, so I'll be able to sell them at a lower price that what you see on their site.

Trent, I might have to buy a couple of sheets of those from you. Although I don't think my backpack of tokens for the group has room for another binder for RFID tokens in sleeves - it's a tight fit as is.

The sheets by themselves are quite sturdy, so that would work. The matching binder is quite large.

How about the option of turning them in at something like Ektdar's transmute shop to be held onto for the Con. You get an RFI'd card to hold onto for the con, that can be redeemed for your treasure enhancers later (along with verifying your badge is the same as those who turned it in). Each card is the equivalent of either 1 Max TE or 10 Max TE... Maybe make it something that you can do if you're in the adventure's guild or something.

Mike Coon wrote: How about the option of turning them in at something like Ektdar's transmute shop to be held onto for the Con. You get an RFI'd card to hold onto for the con, that can be redeemed for your treasure enhancers later (along with verifying your badge is the same as those who turned it in). Each card is the equivalent of either 1 Max TE or 10 Max TE... Maybe make it something that you can do if you're in the adventure's guild or something.

I like it in theory, but I don't think in practice it is a good idea to have TD watching even more stuff than they already do.

Trent wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Trent wrote:

Endgame wrote:

balthasar wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Maybe there's a middle ground.

You show all your treasure enhancers to someone specific at the front and take them out of the casing. That person verifies the tokens are legit and signs and dates a sticker/note/document that is good for the day or con. Then in training you have to show the tokens and verification to the coach, but don't have to take them out of their casing.

You still need to get the TE's inspected to prove they aren't fake. But you only have to do it once a day/event.

Someone could get their real ones verified twice and then let someone use the second verification with fake tokens. I know the odds of that should be low, but it is a way around the system. Having them checked at both ends is the best way to avoid any shady activity.

If there was a combined rfid nugget, it would only be 2 tokens to verify per person at the start and end.

For people that hold all the TEs for a party, there could be a Recommended way to pack / store 10 CoAs and 10 rfid mega nuggets for extremely fast verification. For example, use these binder sheets:

www.lighthouse.us/classic-grande-3-ring-album-with-6-pages-encap-44-45.html

Populate only the outer sides of the sheet, And rig up 5 rfid readers to match the spacing. Hold the sheet under the reader and validate 5x CoAs. Flip it around, validate the other 5. Then do the same with rfid nuggets

I'm actually about to start stocking those binders and pages on my site.

I like to personally test things before I recommend them and I've been using that binder and the sheets for a while now. I call it my Binder of Sharing, and it has room for 90 tokens, so it's really great for anyone who wants to store multiple Charms of Avarice, Skulls of Cavadar, or any other token that they want to have in the plastic capsules that TD provides. I'll also start carrying the same capsules that TD provides in case anyone wants any.

I'm an authorized reseller of Lighthouse products, so I'll be able to sell them at a lower price that what you see on their site.

Trent, I might have to buy a couple of sheets of those from you. Although I don't think my backpack of tokens for the group has room for another binder for RFID tokens in sleeves - it's a tight fit as is.

The sheets by themselves are quite sturdy, so that would work. The matching binder is quite large.

Do the sheets fit in standard 3 ring binders, or does it take a special binder?

Grizwald wrote: Maybe there's a middle ground.

You show all your treasure enhancers to someone specific at the front and take them out of the casing. That person verifies the tokens are legit and signs and dates a sticker/note/document that is good for the day or con. Then in training you have to show the tokens and verification to the coach, but don't have to take them out of their casing.

You still need to get the TE's inspected to prove they aren't fake. But you only have to do it once a day/event.

One way to solve people lending their out for runs they aren’t on is to let us check our TE’s in at a con and TD takes possession of them until after our last run. We are handed a card or something saying X treasure l etc.. it would mean TD needing somewhere secure to store them but would solve the issues.

Fred

Mike Coon wrote: How about the option of turning them in at something like Ektdar's transmute shop to be held onto for the Con. You get an RFI'd card to hold onto for the con, that can be redeemed for your treasure enhancers later (along with verifying your badge is the same as those who turned it in). Each card is the equivalent of either 1 Max TE or 10 Max TE... Maybe make it something that you can do if you're in the adventure's guild or something.

I missed this post. You got to the idea I suggested before I did. +1 here.

Mike Steele wrote:

Trent wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Trent wrote:

Endgame wrote:

balthasar wrote:

Grizwald wrote: Maybe there's a middle ground.

You show all your treasure enhancers to someone specific at the front and take them out of the casing. That person verifies the tokens are legit and signs and dates a sticker/note/document that is good for the day or con. Then in training you have to show the tokens and verification to the coach, but don't have to take them out of their casing.

You still need to get the TE's inspected to prove they aren't fake. But you only have to do it once a day/event.

Someone could get their real ones verified twice and then let someone use the second verification with fake tokens. I know the odds of that should be low, but it is a way around the system. Having them checked at both ends is the best way to avoid any shady activity.

If there was a combined rfid nugget, it would only be 2 tokens to verify per person at the start and end.

For people that hold all the TEs for a party, there could be a Recommended way to pack / store 10 CoAs and 10 rfid mega nuggets for extremely fast verification. For example, use these binder sheets:

www.lighthouse.us/classic-grande-3-ring-album-with-6-pages-encap-44-45.html

Populate only the outer sides of the sheet, And rig up 5 rfid readers to match the spacing. Hold the sheet under the reader and validate 5x CoAs. Flip it around, validate the other 5. Then do the same with rfid nuggets

I'm actually about to start stocking those binders and pages on my site.

I like to personally test things before I recommend them and I've been using that binder and the sheets for a while now. I call it my Binder of Sharing, and it has room for 90 tokens, so it's really great for anyone who wants to store multiple Charms of Avarice, Skulls of Cavadar, or any other token that they want to have in the plastic capsules that TD provides. I'll also start carrying the same capsules that TD provides in case anyone wants any.

I'm an authorized reseller of Lighthouse products, so I'll be able to sell them at a lower price that what you see on their site.

Trent, I might have to buy a couple of sheets of those from you. Although I don't think my backpack of tokens for the group has room for another binder for RFID tokens in sleeves - it's a tight fit as is.

The sheets by themselves are quite sturdy, so that would work. The matching binder is quite large.

Do the sheets fit in standard 3 ring binders, or does it take a special binder?

The Token Binder Sheets will fit 9" x 12" 3-ring (or 4-ring) binders.

Fred K wrote:

Mike Coon wrote: How about the option of turning them in at something like Ektdar's transmute shop to be held onto for the Con. You get an RFI'd card to hold onto for the con, that can be redeemed for your treasure enhancers later (along with verifying your badge is the same as those who turned it in). Each card is the equivalent of either 1 Max TE or 10 Max TE... Maybe make it something that you can do if you're in the adventure's guild or something.

I missed this post. You got to the idea I suggested before I did. +1 here.

I think there’s a liability issue here. What if TD loses them, or a volunteer accidentally hands them out, or or or.