TOPIC: "4C" Transmute for 2022?

I think part of the issue stems from a question we had near the beginning of 2020 and VTD.

At the time there was an ask about if the 2020 bits would be part of a new multi year transmute (we had just finished the lucky traveller). We were told there were no plans for another 4C then the 2020 bits were announced as being usable to transmute reavers. This is where I think the confusion is stemming from.

Now we are kind of in a weird area since we lack direction for the 2021 bits / the last cycle was non-standard / we are probably looking at another non-standard year.

So the possible outcomes are probably

1) We get another 1 year UR transmute like reaver/something fun

2) We start saving bits for a new 4c/storyline/multi year relic that will probably not come out for several years

3) 2021 bits will not be used for any multi year special items and will eventually become fleece.


Normally we would just save some and wait for the storyline/4c in 3-4 years, but the next year is uncertain / we did something different for the first year of virtual / If 2021 starts a new storyline relic & we get back to physical in the next year or so there will probably be a run on 2021 bits when the relic comes out.

Basically, I think most of us are just looking for broad direction, with all the usual subject to change caviots the current situation demands.

Endgame wrote:

balthasar wrote: If we were going to do another multi-year monster bit token, I'd like to see it in the greaves slot. The earcuff and bead both went into relatively new slots, so maybe stick with that going forward?

Greaves wouldn’t be treasure box only then. Put it in eyes and make it “Lenses of 2020 Vision”, and have flames reflecting in the glass.

They have been box only for a while now. Has it ever been stated they'd stay box only forever? I'd add that if you could only make them with monster bits, they'd be made with box only tokens

Endgame wrote:

balthasar wrote: If we were going to do another multi-year monster bit token, I'd like to see it in the greaves slot. The earcuff and bead both went into relatively new slots, so maybe stick with that going forward?

Greaves wouldn’t be treasure box only then. Put it in eyes and make it “Lenses of 2020 Vision”, and have flames reflecting in the glass.

Omega Greaves:
1x each MB from 2020-2022
1x each rare greaves from the same time period

Grants X damage reduction from all sources

Now it's a heavily focused treasure pull transmute. Bam.

Picc wrote: I think part of the issue stems from a question we had near the beginning of 2020 and VTD.

At the time there was an ask about if the 2020 bits would be part of a new multi year transmute (we had just finished the lucky traveller). We were told there were no plans for another 4C then the 2020 bits were announced as being usable to transmute reavers. This is where I think the confusion is stemming from.

Now we are kind of in a weird area since we lack direction for the 2021 bits / the last cycle was non-standard / we are probably looking at another non-standard year.

So the possible outcomes are probably

1) We get another 1 year UR transmute like reaver/something fun

2) We start saving bits for a new 4c/storyline/multi year relic that will probably not come out for several years

3) 2021 bits will not be used for any multi year special items and will eventually become fleece.


Normally we would just save some and wait for the storyline/4c in 3-4 years, but the next year is uncertain / we did something different for the first year of virtual / If 2021 starts a new storyline relic & we get back to physical in the next year or so there will probably be a run on 2021 bits when the relic comes out.

Basically, I think most of us are just looking for broad direction, with all the usual subject to change caviots the current situation demands.

Ok, this is the second time I've seen someone mention using monster bits for the reaver...but tokendb and the TD transmute page only show completion tokens, not monster bits, to transmute the reaver.

I have 3 sets of 2020 monster bits waiting for next multi-year story relic...because that's how it has worked previously.
If there is a different use for them, and they won't be used in the next multi-year relic, I would like to know before the transmute window closes.

I don't recall someone saying 2020 MB would go into Reavers, but it doesn't matter. Since they don't, there isn't an outlet for them besides the usual GF and 2021 recipes.

I like the runestone/special idea since those are pretty ridiculous tokens.

Could steal all sorts of one year abiilties from yesteryear, like have a bonus based on number of set bonuses. Could have a new way to be invisible. Could have a token that counts as a member of a set of your choice (not exactly fun, means tons of people gain level off of Eldritch without some restriction). Can double DR. Can be similar to some of the weirder neck slot tokens without being in neck slot. Can make one consumable usable in each room of dungeon instead of once per game. Sure, could increase INT or CHA.

kurtreznor wrote:

Picc wrote: I think part of the issue stems from a question we had near the beginning of 2020 and VTD.

At the time there was an ask about if the 2020 bits would be part of a new multi year transmute (we had just finished the lucky traveller). We were told there were no plans for another 4C then the 2020 bits were announced as being usable to transmute reavers. This is where I think the confusion is stemming from.

Now we are kind of in a weird area since we lack direction for the 2021 bits / the last cycle was non-standard / we are probably looking at another non-standard year.

So the possible outcomes are probably

1) We get another 1 year UR transmute like reaver/something fun

2) We start saving bits for a new 4c/storyline/multi year relic that will probably not come out for several years

3) 2021 bits will not be used for any multi year special items and will eventually become fleece.


Normally we would just save some and wait for the storyline/4c in 3-4 years, but the next year is uncertain / we did something different for the first year of virtual / If 2021 starts a new storyline relic & we get back to physical in the next year or so there will probably be a run on 2021 bits when the relic comes out.

Basically, I think most of us are just looking for broad direction, with all the usual subject to change caviots the current situation demands.

Ok, this is the second time I've seen someone mention using monster bits for the reaver...but tokendb and the TD transmute page only show completion tokens, not monster bits, to transmute the reaver.

I have 3 sets of 2020 monster bits waiting for next multi-year story relic...because that's how it has worked previously.
If there is a different use for them, and they won't be used in the next multi-year relic, I would like to know before the transmute window closes.

I apologize if I got the recipe wrong. I think my point remains though that we asked about if 2020 bits would be used for anything and we got a non-standard transmute which I think is at the root the confusion.

So in that case I guess my question becomes will 2020-202X bits ever be used in a storyline relic at some point in the future?

From what I recall, I think the 4C Storyline transmutes are (almost?) never announced ahead of time. People tend to save the monster ingredient tokens on the assumption that there will be one at the end of the story arc. Based on past precedent there probably will be.

Here are the ones so far and the years of monster tokens:

Medallion of Greyhawk: 2006-2007 plus one from 2008
Dragon Tooth Amulet: 2009 plus two from 2010 (Dragon Tooth & one other)
Draco Lich Claw Charm: 2011 plus 2 from 2012 (Draco Lich Claw + one other)
Icecrag Hero's Earcuff: 2013-2015
Bead of the Lucky Traveler: 2016-2019

So, monster tokens from every single year have been part of 4C type transmutes, even though 2008, 2010 and 2012 didn't require all of the monster tokens.

I'm guessing that the next one will be from 2020 through 2022 or 2023.

I believe the 2020 monster bits were used for The Elfstone Shard:
tokendb.com/token/ioun-stone-elfstone-shard/

Hopefully we can get something fun to use the 2021 ones for.

I'm hopeful for another 4c, though I would get it if it started 2021.

How about something that changes the damage type without actually adding to the total? Could be thematic with the chaos cannon (Charm of Chaos, Bead of Chaos, etc.), or perhaps a runestone?

Matt Soto wrote: How about something that changes the damage type without actually adding to the total? Could be thematic with the chaos cannon (Charm of Chaos, Bead of Chaos, etc.), or perhaps a runestone?

I wouldn’t want a runestone due to it being consumable.

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