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"4C" Transmute for 2022? 1 year 11 months ago #97

Dave wrote: Try this one

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=686&id=254394&start=36#424435

It sounds like anything prior to 2022 won't be used in a recipe


that's the post i remember, but i couldn't find it. i guess i'll bag up a bunch of bits. :woohoo:
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"4C" Transmute for 2022? 1 year 11 months ago #98

Dave wrote: Try this one

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=686&id=254394&start=36#424435

It sounds like anything prior to 2022 won't be used in a recipe


Thanks for finding that Dave!

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"4C" Transmute for 2022? 1 year 11 months ago #99

I guess it's just sinking in that based on Jeff's comments, there won't be any transmute token using pre-2022 monster bits or completion tokens.

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"4C" Transmute for 2022? 1 year 11 months ago #100

Dave wrote: I guess it's just sinking in that based on Jeff's comments, there won't be any transmute token using pre-2022 monster bits or completion tokens.

I and my stupid numbers of monster bits agree.
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"4C" Transmute for 2022? 1 year 11 months ago #101

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Dave wrote: I guess it's just sinking in that based on Jeff's comments, there won't be any transmute token using pre-2022 monster bits or completion tokens.

To be fair there are transmutes that use pre-2022 monster bits.

Charm of the Fire Newt takes 1 MB or 500 GP (debatable which is worth more).
Greater Ring of Reflexes, Master Ale Drinker’s Bead, Master Drinker’s Gloves, Bead of Greater Binding, Pirate’s Treasure Map, Ring of Last Call all take a MB or 1k. 1 MB is likely worth less than 1k.
Shirt of the Elder requires 1 MB

Now maybe you don't want any of these and/or have more MB than you want to make of these, but there are places to dump some MB besides fleece.
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"4C" Transmute for 2022? 1 year 11 months ago #102

Or, for 2023, come up with recipes that use GF besides the usual stuff.

Arcanum can start a precedent of taking like 3x GF because not burdened by Eldritch's past.

Billy Map should be 1x GF or 4x AG or 8x EB/OE to give some outlet for stuff that has very little use.

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"4C" Transmute for 2022? 1 year 11 months ago #103

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Dave wrote: I guess it's just sinking in that based on Jeff's comments, there won't be any transmute token using pre-2022 monster bits or completion tokens.

To be fair there are transmutes that use pre-2022 monster bits.

Charm of the Fire Newt takes 1 MB or 500 GP (debatable which is worth more).
Greater Ring of Reflexes, Master Ale Drinker’s Bead, Master Drinker’s Gloves, Bead of Greater Binding, Pirate’s Treasure Map, Ring of Last Call all take a MB or 1k. 1 MB is likely worth less than 1k.
Shirt of the Elder requires 1 MB

Now maybe you don't want any of these and/or have more MB than you want to make of these, but there are places to dump some MB besides fleece.


You are correct, however the intent of my post was to focus on the traditional multi-year monster bit and/or completion token transmutes we've had in the past.

Honestly, this is no big deal to me. I don't hoard hundreds of bits or completion tokens hoping to make dozens of transmutes. I keep enough to make maybe 2 or 3, if they happen. But it is good to know that there's no reason for me to hang onto the few I still have.

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"4C" Transmute for 2022? 1 year 11 months ago #104

What if we could transmute VTD monster bits into a token that works exclusively in VTD?

People who don't like the virtual experience won't miss out, but the folks who helped support TDA the last few years through the pandemic get a nice VTD-only perk.
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"4C" Transmute for 2022? 1 year 11 months ago #105

Dave wrote: Try this one

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=686&id=254394&start=36#424435

It sounds like anything prior to 2022 won't be used in a recipe


There was also a post by Jeff saying they likely wouldn't do surprise transmutes that had older components because he got so many complaints about it. Unfortunately, a small number of vocal people squashed fun for others.

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"4C" Transmute for 2022? 1 year 11 months ago #106

Ian Lee wrote: Or, for 2023, come up with recipes that use GF besides the usual stuff.

Arcanum can start a precedent of taking like 3x GF because not burdened by Eldritch's past.

Billy Map should be 1x GF or 4x AG or 8x EB/OE to give some outlet for stuff that has very little use.


Doesn't increasing the Fleece requirements in new recipes still penalize people that didn't play VTD?

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"4C" Transmute for 2022? 1 year 11 months ago #107

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Ian Lee wrote: Or, for 2023, come up with recipes that use GF besides the usual stuff.

Arcanum can start a precedent of taking like 3x GF because not burdened by Eldritch's past.

Billy Map should be 1x GF or 4x AG or 8x EB/OE to give some outlet for stuff that has very little use.


Doesn't increasing the Fleece requirements in new recipes still penalize people that didn't play VTD?


If the only concern is not leaving out people who took a pass on VTD an alt recipe could probably get us around that issue without messing with the fleece market for years to come or leaving the folks who absorbed all the 2020 treasure holding.
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"4C" Transmute for 2022? 1 year 11 months ago #108

Old transmute amounts were based on a different environment. The amount of treasure going out to people is much higher. While VTD should have a much higher average draw amount, the number of CoA keeps increasing, nevermind that Nuggets didn't used to exist, which affects things like Gen Con, too, likely GHC far more.

The reality is that there's a massive income gap. While the once a year, 3 draw player is getting screwed by transmute costs, the high end just keeps growing. Where transmutes should sit can vary. For high end transmutes, where the casual player wouldn't care anyway, jack up the crap that the other end is swimming in. 3*/4* can remain modest. The most obvious high end transmute happening next year that also happens to have no precedent for people to complain about breaking is Arcanum.

Relics and legendaries have gained in some TGs but not in an even way. This year's should have had more of GF, AG, EB, and OE as there aren't outlets for these besides these transmutes. At the same time, why AI keeps being so high in transmutes escapes me.

Another alternative, though far too late now for old MBs, is radically decrease the MB%. Go down to like 10% or less to make MBs as infrequent as they used to be for the high treasure players. Of course, that screws the low treasure players, as well.

It's all interrelated and unstable. If Billy Map was only made with 1x GF and let's say 1000gp, that would attack the lack of uses for most MBs, but there's still the problem of just massive supply of AG/EB/OE compared to uses for them.

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