TOPIC: SPOILER: New stuff found in treasure pulls

Some proposals to get better circulations...
...put them in the player packs...
...add one per player pack shipped (to increase circulation fixed amounts)

I WOULD not change the recipe at all...just find ways to get more out there for those who need it.

I can do one, maybe two runs per dungeon, so I am not going to chase the tokens to make the legendary. With the current treasure list showing 3.45%, it will be tough to complete the 40 tokens without a lot of trading or $$.

Since the odds of getting a legendary are way less than 1:1000 pulls, being able to craft one in 1000 pulls sounds pretty good to me. If you are able to pull that many and cannot use it, I sure you could selll the parts of finished product for a tidy sum.

Nobody needs legendaries.

There's no requirement that players get a level boost.

It's not even the case that every token needs to be good. Depending upon your definition of good, it may not even be possible for every token to be good.

I think there are two types of people who will want these.
Collectors - Many of these will run enough to make sure they get at least 40 and are able to trade for a set (or two).
Newer or less frequent players - These can be newer players or veteran players who only run once or twice per dungeon. They either haven't played long enough or invested enough to get their level bonus from a set. They may currently be using a Ring/Charm of Heroism and appreciate an upgrade to a slotless item.

The latter group are the ones who will not be in a position to get these on their own. I play enough that I'll probably get 1000 treasure over the course of V7-V11. But I have no use for these tokens. I already have more than enough Golden Fleece. I could probably sell them to pay for a few runs. But I'm looking at it as an opportunity to help friends who fall into that latter category. I fully intend to give mine away and help trade to make sure they get a unique set. I feel like it will keep them excited about the game and that's good enough for me.

Dave wrote: I think there are two types of people who will want these.
Collectors - Many of these will run enough to make sure they get at least 40 and are able to trade for a set (or two).
Newer or less frequent players - These can be newer players or veteran players who only run once or twice per dungeon. They either haven't played long enough or invested enough to get their level bonus from a set. They may currently be using a Ring/Charm of Heroism and appreciate an upgrade to a slotless item.

The latter group are the ones who will not be in a position to get these on their own. I play enough that I'll probably get 1000 treasure over the course of V7-V11. But I have no use for these tokens. I already have more than enough Golden Fleece. I could probably sell them to pay for a few runs. But I'm looking at it as an opportunity to help friends who fall into that latter category. I fully intend to give mine away and help trade to make sure they get a unique set. I feel like it will keep them excited about the game and that's good enough for me.

Since I fall into neither category your assessment that there are 2 types seems off to me.

I likely will have enough pulls over the entire year to make one....maybe. I definitely am not a new player nor an infrequent player. To think that only newer or less frequent players may be the only ones using Ring/Charm of Heroism I think if a fault in the logic. Not everyone spins a lot on tokens have eldritch sets. In fact you could have spent zero on tokens and have Ring of Heroism and still play quite a bit. My full group still rocks 6 rings of heroism. If I could get 8 of these the group would use 8. (I have no desire to attempt to get 8. If I do get 1 it will be used).

Dave wrote: I think there are two types of people who will want these.
Collectors - Many of these will run enough to make sure they get at least 40 and are able to trade for a set (or two).
Newer or less frequent players - These can be newer players or veteran players who only run once or twice per dungeon. They either haven't played long enough or invested enough to get their level bonus from a set. They may currently be using a Ring/Charm of Heroism and appreciate an upgrade to a slotless item.

The latter group are the ones who will not be in a position to get these on their own. I play enough that I'll probably get 1000 treasure over the course of V7-V11. But I have no use for these tokens. I already have more than enough Golden Fleece. I could probably sell them to pay for a few runs. But I'm looking at it as an opportunity to help friends who fall into that latter category. I fully intend to give mine away and help trade to make sure they get a unique set. I feel like it will keep them excited about the game and that's good enough for me.

Speculation on my part, but it may be that the new Eldritch equivalent set will not have a level boost, in which case this might become part of BIS many years from now.

We have a long way to go before then...
tokendb.com/token/ring-of-the-5th-circle/

Well then, maybe you're a third group. It all depends upon how you want to define some of my groups. To me, a newer player is anyone who started in the past 10 to 12 years. Maybe you've been playing longer than that, don't know.

This does create a third idea...
...alternate recipes...(kinda like avarice)
Fateful Heroism, Medallion, cooks, create a 10x wildcard
Ring and Charm of Heroism create a 20x wildcard

this would be really interesting I think.

Dave wrote: Well then, maybe you're a third group. It all depends upon how you want to define some of my groups. To me, a newer player is anyone who started in the past 10 to 12 years. Maybe you've been playing longer than that, don't know.

LOL!!!! Yeah if you think someone needs to be playing longer than 10 or 12 years to no longer be a new player, I definitely think you need a new definition of new player.

Dergidan wrote:

edwin wrote: Let's say 4% tinkering goods in the overall treasure mix which is higher than I believe it will play out at.

At 4%, 1000 treasure drawings would be needed in an ideal world to get 40 but not necessarily all different.

Be interesting to know how many players get over 1000 treasure draws in a calendar year.

I've been watching that percentage as well.

The drop rate on these seems low to me. The players that are most likely to be collecting that much treasure in a year are the players who are least likely to need the token. I would guess that most players who get 1,000 pulls per year that are getting their +1 level from a set bonus, making it essentially slotless already.

Who is this token really for? I believe the players who could most use it won't be able to collect and make it, and the players who can most easily collect to make it don't need it and it will just be an expensive token for them to sell. (collectors who want one of everything being an exception)

I was excited about collecting to make one of these until I saw how few of these I'm likely to get during a year of play. I'll be lucky to get 40 of these at all, to even have the ability to trade for those that I need.

This is a missed opportunity in my opinion. It would have been an awesome thing to collect towards for everyone, but particularly for new and more casual players as it would give them an "over time" route to getting +1 level.

The solution to this would be to include these tinker tokens every year, giving players time to collect these regardless of their level of play. Perhaps that's the plan, and I misunderstood. It seemed like this was limited to this year though.

Another option would have been to include only 10 or 20 of these, and have other ones in subsequent years, making it a multi-year transmute. The ship has sailed on that one though.

I think this is a really neat idea and want to collect these, but I'm disappointed at how many treasure pulls it's going to take. For now I plan to keep any that I get, but holding out little hope that I'll collect enough for it to matter.

That's my opinion. (for now)

I like this idea. Making these tokens available multiple years makes the legendary much more accessible to infrequent players, and also gives them a reason to start token collecting and trading. So, you know, they become addicts like us.

If you are trying to define two groups, maybe go with frequency of play? Group one could be people that play1-X runs per year, and group 2 would be those that play >X each year. That may not even be a legitimate way to do that either. I think we should wait until we see what the drop rate of those tokens will be, and then figure out the average number of pulls needed to get to 40 total plat ingredients.