TOPIC: Treasure Enhancer Value vs Cost

Full Covid with very little in person, I was doing about 6 slots per vtd so about 60 “runs.” I put runs in quotes because I normally do, at least, one double down per vtd. My guess is with in person back, total runs I do will decline a bit since you can’t do as many GC slots due to limited availability.

Conservatively, I likely had 90 slots where I received treasures in 2021. With max treasure, that worked out to 2,000 draws. From that, I got 10-15 URs, 2-3 relics, 2 wish rings, and about 350 various combinations of Mb, trade goods (not goods to transmute), gold bars, greaves, etc.. Add to that 1,500 random standard treasures (uc-rare) plus 90 10 packs for another 900 standard pack tokens. If you transmute all the trade goods, it adds up quite a bit.

Im a way, it is a positive ROI but that assumes you’re doing the runs anyway. Very likely, I’d have done about 2/3rds of those runs without treasure being a factor (ie eliminated the ghosted slots.) At the same time, most people aren’t selling their trade goods. I wonder if it makes sense to include the value of trade goods into the calculations.

Quite a few people do more runs than me but I’m betting we do probably 4-5 times more runs than the average HC-NM player.

A reasonable number of slots where TEs are applied per year (assuming vtd continues and 1-2 in person per year) is probably closer to 25 for veteran players and 5-10 for newer players.

I think it was said, but making the TE's was easier (mine was under 1k to make) and I have helped some buddies make trades so theirs was reasonably priced even in today's market. If you're playing, and enjoy a few, ignore the COA and look at the Bead that comes out next year. The bead will be part of the next legendary TE. The CoA had a recipie that used points based, which the oldest was worth 4 points, the medium was 3, the newish est 2, and the one from that year was worth 1 point (7 required), and many, MANY trade goods. Having the Necklace of ... Treasure ... Finding? gah, it's been so long, and the bead from next year, and the final from 2025 will be a "cheaper" recipie, though using 2 beads, and a 2025 URTE will likely be able to make you the next Legendary TE (LTE heh, not that wireless protocol) and get into the cool kid club without dropping 2k, and just waiting until 2026/7.

Feel free to roll your eye's at the guy with the current LTE any time, I did when I didn't have one so I get it.

I'm also think the CoGF should come back though, I'd love to see those tokens get passed around, or maybe at least the next LTE will include that to benefit new players, and slow down token growth from legacy players. We don't know what the LTE will be though, other than likely count as the current bead, since the bead is new in 2023.

Oh, meanwhile, bid on an auction, you can likely get the Plat nugget for under 100 by winning a PYP! 85 + $4 shipping for one token is like $89 and not 100 + tax + shipping!

While I have your attention, one of us! Welcome to the token-a-holics semi-anonymous group. Try grunnels worm. (I think it's a gummy, This is not an endorsement for anything other than a gummy, and possibly the finality of squirrels who are monks).

macxdmg wrote: I think it was said, but making the TE's was easier (mine was under 1k to make) and I have helped some buddies make trades so theirs was reasonably priced even in today's market. If you're playing, and enjoy a few, ignore the COA and look at the Bead that comes out next year. The bead will be part of the next legendary TE. The CoA had a recipie that used points based, which the oldest was worth 4 points, the medium was 3, the newish est 2, and the one from that year was worth 1 point (7 required), and many, MANY trade goods. Having the Necklace of ... Treasure ... Finding? gah, it's been so long, and the bead from next year, and the final from 2025 will be a "cheaper" recipie, though using 2 beads, and a 2025 URTE will likely be able to make you the next Legendary TE (LTE heh, not that wireless protocol) and get into the cool kid club without dropping 2k, and just waiting until 2026/7.

Feel free to roll your eye's at the guy with the current LTE any time, I did when I didn't have one so I get it.

I'm also think the CoGF should come back though, I'd love to see those tokens get passed around, or maybe at least the next LTE will include that to benefit new players, and slow down token growth from legacy players. We don't know what the LTE will be though, other than likely count as the current bead, since the bead is new in 2023.

Oh, meanwhile, bid on an auction, you can likely get the Plat nugget for under 100 by winning a PYP! 85 + $4 shipping for one token is like $89 and not 100 + tax + shipping!

While I have your attention, one of us! Welcome to the token-a-holics semi-anonymous group. Try grunnels worm. (I think it's a gummy, This is not an endorsement for anything other than a gummy, and possibly the finality of squirrels who are monks).

Do you know where the proposed recipe is ? First I’m hearing on a new LTE ? Better if I collect the missing pieces now

recipes never show up before the end.

What Jeff stated is a new transmuted TE will use the next 3 URTE's released along with the Amulet of Treasure Finding. The reveal of the final transmute will come the same year the third URTE is released

Tyraël The Just wrote:

macxdmg wrote: I think it was said, but making the TE's was easier (mine was under 1k to make) and I have helped some buddies make trades so theirs was reasonably priced even in today's market. If you're playing, and enjoy a few, ignore the COA and look at the Bead that comes out next year. The bead will be part of the next legendary TE. The CoA had a recipie that used points based, which the oldest was worth 4 points, the medium was 3, the newish est 2, and the one from that year was worth 1 point (7 required), and many, MANY trade goods. Having the Necklace of ... Treasure ... Finding? gah, it's been so long, and the bead from next year, and the final from 2025 will be a "cheaper" recipie, though using 2 beads, and a 2025 URTE will likely be able to make you the next Legendary TE (LTE heh, not that wireless protocol) and get into the cool kid club without dropping 2k, and just waiting until 2026/7.

Feel free to roll your eye's at the guy with the current LTE any time, I did when I didn't have one so I get it.

I'm also think the CoGF should come back though, I'd love to see those tokens get passed around, or maybe at least the next LTE will include that to benefit new players, and slow down token growth from legacy players. We don't know what the LTE will be though, other than likely count as the current bead, since the bead is new in 2023.

Oh, meanwhile, bid on an auction, you can likely get the Plat nugget for under 100 by winning a PYP! 85 + $4 shipping for one token is like $89 and not 100 + tax + shipping!

While I have your attention, one of us! Welcome to the token-a-holics semi-anonymous group. Try grunnels worm. (I think it's a gummy, This is not an endorsement for anything other than a gummy, and possibly the finality of squirrels who are monks).

Do you know where the proposed recipe is ? First I’m hearing on a new LTE ? Better if I collect the missing pieces now

Here's the post, from more than 5 years ago, where Jeff laid out the TE plans through about 2026.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=527&id=244042&start=0

Jeff did mention during the design process that the next TE Transmute might include the 2023/5/7 TE URs in the recipe instead of the previously stated AoTF and 2023/5 TE URs. I suspect since it had been so long since he stated the first recipe that it slipped his mind, but we'll have to wait until he (or some other TD official) clarifies it.

It's very unlikely that the recipe will include any Beads since Jeff stated those wouldn't be part of any transmute recipe. It's unknown if Beads (or any TE URs) will ever be reprinted in the future, the only ones on a "no reprint" list are Horn of Plenty and Amulet of Treasure Finding.

There are tons of unknowns, like if there will be a recipe that doesn't require the AoTF, if the new transmute is brand-new or a reprint of CoA, if it stacks with CoA or not.

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: recipes never show up before the end.

What Jeff stated is a new transmuted TE will use the next 3 URTE's released along with the Amulet of Treasure Finding. The reveal of the final transmute will come the same year the third URTE is released

That's a bit unclear. Jeff's first statement was that the next transmuted TE will be AoTF and the 2023/5 TE URs. His statement this year didn't mention the AoTF and only mentioned the 2023/5/7 TE URs.

Mike Steele wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: recipes never show up before the end.

What Jeff stated is a new transmuted TE will use the next 3 URTE's released along with the Amulet of Treasure Finding. The reveal of the final transmute will come the same year the third URTE is released

That's a bit unclear. Jeff's first statement was that the next transmuted TE will be AoTF and the 2023/5 TE URs. His statement this year didn't mention the AoTF and only mentioned the 2023/5/7 TE URs.

Gotcya.. need an amulet and the bead
next year is the 1st piece correct ? I need a CoA but at cost… I can get 2-3 Legendary for my build

* ( . ) ( . ) no one saw that typo… it was an illusion cast by Morgana *

Tyraël The Just wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: recipes never show up before the end.

What Jeff stated is a new transmuted TE will use the next 3 URTE's released along with the Amulet of Treasure Finding. The reveal of the final transmute will come the same year the third URTE is released

That's a bit unclear. Jeff's first statement was that the next transmuted TE will be AoTF and the 2023/5 TE URs. His statement this year didn't mention the AoTF and only mentioned the 2023/5/7 TE URs.

Gotcya.. need an amulet and the bead
next year is the 1st piece correct ? I need a CoA but at cost… I can get 2-3 Legendary for my build

* ( . ) ( . ) no one saw that typo… it was an illusion cast by Morgana *

Next year is the first piece unless the recipe includes the AoTF as Jeff previously mentioned. If it does include the AoTF, it's unknown if there will be an alternate recipe that doesn't require the AoTF, although I suspect there will.

You might want to consider picking up a Gold Nugget also, I think you can still find them at a somewhat affordable price.

Mike Steele wrote:

Tyraël The Just wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: recipes never show up before the end.

What Jeff stated is a new transmuted TE will use the next 3 URTE's released along with the Amulet of Treasure Finding. The reveal of the final transmute will come the same year the third URTE is released

That's a bit unclear. Jeff's first statement was that the next transmuted TE will be AoTF and the 2023/5 TE URs. His statement this year didn't mention the AoTF and only mentioned the 2023/5/7 TE URs.

Gotcya.. need an amulet and the bead
next year is the 1st piece correct ? I need a CoA but at cost… I can get 2-3 Legendary for my build

* ( . ) ( . ) no one saw that typo… it was an illusion cast by Morgana *

Next year is the first piece unless the recipe includes the AoTF as Jeff previously mentioned. If it does include the AoTF, it's unknown if there will be an alternate recipe that doesn't require the AoTF, although I suspect there will.

You might want to consider picking up a Gold Nugget also, I think you can still find them at a somewhat affordable price.

Yes, I have a set of them ( Gold, Silver, Platinum ) since I don’t have any TE, these seemed good to me

I have an AoTF, but if I didn’t have one I don’t think I would go get one on the secondary market. After the Shirt of Focus not being included in the Arcanum Shirt multi year transmute I think it is likely best to wait until you have very clearly stated information on exactly what the transmute will be.

OrionW wrote: I have an AoTF, but if I didn’t have one I don’t think I would go get one on the secondary market. After the Shirt of Focus not being included in the Arcanum Shirt multi year transmute I think it is likely best to wait until you have very clearly stated information on exactly what the transmute will be.

True, although for those without a HoP or CoA, the AoTF gives a nice 4 treasure pulls per dungeon.

OrionW wrote: I have an AoTF, but if I didn’t have one I don’t think I would go get one on the secondary market. After the Shirt of Focus not being included in the Arcanum Shirt multi year transmute I think it is likely best to wait until you have very clearly stated information on exactly what the transmute will be.

i kinda agree but my worry is that if it DOES require the AoTF and i wait a year or two for it it will skyrocket in price. atm its selling for $450-$550 per which is why i cant afford to build a CoA. 7 of them for the points would cost at least $3100 - $3900.... way to much. if i could find a CoA for $1500 i would snag it so fast... but my worry remains... the cost of them now vs the cost of them in a year or two....