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Treasure Enhancer Value vs Cost 3 months 2 weeks ago #37

It seems odd to have the AoTF be transmutable in the CoA and a future TE, but with Jeff's declaration that ship has sailed. If the ONLY way to make a new TE transmute is with a token that has been out of print for 5+ years, I will be disappointed. And now, it isn't the same as the Rod or Skull, those parts came out each year and were transmutable in the 7th year. The new recipe, if it comes out on the proposed timeline and requires the AoTF, will require a token that was OOP for pretty much 10 years.

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Treasure Enhancer Value vs Cost 3 months 2 weeks ago #38

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: recipes never show up before the end.

What Jeff stated is a new transmuted TE will use the next 3 URTE's released along with the Amulet of Treasure Finding. The reveal of the final transmute will come the same year the third URTE is released


That's a bit unclear. Jeff's first statement was that the next transmuted TE will be AoTF and the 2023/5 TE URs. His statement this year didn't mention the AoTF and only mentioned the 2023/5/7 TE URs.


Both can be true if 2027 is a reprint of the AoTF.


Except Jeff said originally that the transmute would be in 2026 after the 2025 TE UR and that the AoTF would never be reprinted.


Well, it sounds like all 4 statements can't be true; but a 2027 AoTF reprint can still keep 3 out of 4.


3 of 4 wouldn't be true with an AoTF reprint in 2027. Jeff's original statement that the transmute would be made in 2026 after the 2023 and 2025 TE URs were printed would be false, as would his statement that the AoTF wouldn't be reprinted. And for context, his statement that the AoTF wouldn't be reprinted was within a thread speculating on whether it would be reprinted for the 2026 TE transmute.

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Treasure Enhancer Value vs Cost 3 months 2 weeks ago #39

Mike Steele wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: recipes never show up before the end.

What Jeff stated is a new transmuted TE will use the next 3 URTE's released along with the Amulet of Treasure Finding. The reveal of the final transmute will come the same year the third URTE is released


That's a bit unclear. Jeff's first statement was that the next transmuted TE will be AoTF and the 2023/5 TE URs. His statement this year didn't mention the AoTF and only mentioned the 2023/5/7 TE URs.


Both can be true if 2027 is a reprint of the AoTF.


Except Jeff said originally that the transmute would be in 2026 after the 2025 TE UR and that the AoTF would never be reprinted.


Well, it sounds like all 4 statements can't be true; but a 2027 AoTF reprint can still keep 3 out of 4.


3 of 4 wouldn't be true with an AoTF reprint in 2027. Jeff's original statement that the transmute would be made in 2026 after the 2023 and 2025 TE URs were printed would be false, as would his statement that the AoTF wouldn't be reprinted. And for context, his statement that the AoTF wouldn't be reprinted was within a thread speculating on whether it would be reprinted for the 2026 TE transmute.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=527&id=246745&start=0


The transmute could still be made in 2026. The 'no reprint' is the only one made false by reprinting AoTF in 2027.
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Treasure Enhancer Value vs Cost 3 months 2 weeks ago #40

Here is the original post about the AoTF:
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=527&id=244042&start=0#267467
3) Assuming Gen Con and TD is still around in about ten years (2026) :dry: , the Amulet of Treasure Finding will be used in a transmuted token recipe to make a better treasure-enhancing token. It will be combined with whatever TE-tokens come out in 2023 and 2025.

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Treasure Enhancer Value vs Cost 3 months 2 weeks ago #41

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: recipes never show up before the end.

What Jeff stated is a new transmuted TE will use the next 3 URTE's released along with the Amulet of Treasure Finding. The reveal of the final transmute will come the same year the third URTE is released


That's a bit unclear. Jeff's first statement was that the next transmuted TE will be AoTF and the 2023/5 TE URs. His statement this year didn't mention the AoTF and only mentioned the 2023/5/7 TE URs.


Both can be true if 2027 is a reprint of the AoTF.


Except Jeff said originally that the transmute would be in 2026 after the 2025 TE UR and that the AoTF would never be reprinted.


Well, it sounds like all 4 statements can't be true; but a 2027 AoTF reprint can still keep 3 out of 4.


3 of 4 wouldn't be true with an AoTF reprint in 2027. Jeff's original statement that the transmute would be made in 2026 after the 2023 and 2025 TE URs were printed would be false, as would his statement that the AoTF wouldn't be reprinted. And for context, his statement that the AoTF wouldn't be reprinted was within a thread speculating on whether it would be reprinted for the 2026 TE transmute.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=527&id=246745&start=0


The transmute could still be made in 2026. The 'no reprint' is the only one made false by reprinting AoTF in 2027.


It seems like an AoTF reprint is extremely unlikely since Jeff specifically ruled it out, and people made buying decisions based on that ruling. To me, an alternate recipe that didn't require an AoTF is much more likely than an AoTF reprint that Jeff already said would never happen.

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Treasure Enhancer Value vs Cost 3 months 2 weeks ago #42

Here's Jeff's full post from roughly October 2016 in a slightly easier to read format:

Jeff Martin wrote: Due to many factors and the development of the "Nugget" Ioun Stones, I thought it would be best to go ahead and make these clarifications.

1) We will publish an Ioun Stone Silver Nugget (+2 Treasure Coins) in 2017, an Ioun Stone Gold Nugget (+2 Treasure Coins) in 2019, and an Ioun Stone Platinum Nugget (+2 Treasure Coins) in 2021. These three tokens will stack with each other because they have slightly different names. They will stack with the Charm of Avarice.

2) There will be no transmuted token that uses any of the three Ioun Stone Nuggets in its recipe.

3) Assuming Gen Con and TD is still around in about ten years (2026) :dry: , the Amulet of Treasure Finding will be used in a transmuted token recipe to make a better treasure-enhancing token. It will be combined with whatever TE-tokens come out in 2023 and 2025.

I know it is a bit crazy to make these pronouncements this far into the future, but it appears to be needed. Thanks for your patience and support.

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Treasure Enhancer Value vs Cost 3 months 2 weeks ago #43

Mike Steele wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

kurtreznor wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote: recipes never show up before the end.

What Jeff stated is a new transmuted TE will use the next 3 URTE's released along with the Amulet of Treasure Finding. The reveal of the final transmute will come the same year the third URTE is released


That's a bit unclear. Jeff's first statement was that the next transmuted TE will be AoTF and the 2023/5 TE URs. His statement this year didn't mention the AoTF and only mentioned the 2023/5/7 TE URs.


Both can be true if 2027 is a reprint of the AoTF.


Except Jeff said originally that the transmute would be in 2026 after the 2025 TE UR and that the AoTF would never be reprinted.


Well, it sounds like all 4 statements can't be true; but a 2027 AoTF reprint can still keep 3 out of 4.


3 of 4 wouldn't be true with an AoTF reprint in 2027. Jeff's original statement that the transmute would be made in 2026 after the 2023 and 2025 TE URs were printed would be false, as would his statement that the AoTF wouldn't be reprinted. And for context, his statement that the AoTF wouldn't be reprinted was within a thread speculating on whether it would be reprinted for the 2026 TE transmute.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&catid=527&id=246745&start=0


The transmute could still be made in 2026. The 'no reprint' is the only one made false by reprinting AoTF in 2027.


It seems like an AoTF reprint is extremely unlikely since Jeff specifically ruled it out, and people made buying decisions based on that ruling. To me, an alternate recipe that didn't require an AoTF is much more likely than an AoTF reprint that Jeff already said would never happen.


Sure, that does seem likely, this whole string just started with me pointing out that your apparent contradiction wasn't a contradiction, then you added more statements so you could 'win'.
Actually, looking at the 4 Jeff statements, there is a way to still keep them all true:
LTE first available in 26 using recipe 1: AoTF, 23, & 25.
New URTE in 27 + recipe 2: requires 23, 25, &27

*But for the record, I still think 27 should just be a reprint of AoTF to keep things clean and simple.
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Treasure Enhancer Value vs Cost 3 months 2 weeks ago #44

I'm still curious to see what the 2025/6 TE Transmute looks like. If, as stated, it combines the AoTF, Bead of Bounty, and 2025 TE UR, I wonder how many bonus treasure chips it grants. Will it just be the sum of the Bead and 2025 TE UR, or also include the +4 treasure chips from the AoTF (or something different, of course)? If it includes the +4 chips from AoTF, and stacks with the CoA, that would be an additional +4 treasure chips to the max amount since the AoTF doesn't stack. If it's just the Bead and 2025 TE UR chips combined, that's not a very powerful transmute, as it just replaces two slots and probably just provides somewhere between 4-6 treasure chips (depending on how many the 2025 TE UR provides).

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Treasure Enhancer Value vs Cost 3 months 2 weeks ago #45

Mike Steele wrote: I'm still curious to see what the 2025/6 TE Transmute looks like. If, as stated, it combines the AoTF, Bead of Bounty, and 2025 TE UR, I wonder how many bonus treasure chips it grants. Will it just be the sum of the Bead and 2025 TE UR, or also include the +4 treasure chips from the AoTF (or something different, of course)? If it includes the +4 chips from AoTF, and stacks with the CoA, that would be an additional +4 treasure chips to the max amount since the AoTF doesn't stack. If it's just the Bead and 2025 TE UR chips combined, that's not a very powerful transmute, as it just replaces two slots and probably just provides somewhere between 4-6 treasure chips (depending on how many the 2025 TE UR provides).


Maybe it could provide the AoTF + Bead + 2025 TE UR Chips combined when not equipped with CoA or HoP , or just Bead + 2025 TE UR Chips when equipped with either CoA or HoP. That would be a nice bonus for players that don't have the CoA or HoP.

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Treasure Enhancer Value vs Cost 3 months 2 weeks ago #46

Mike Steele wrote: I'm still curious to see what the 2025/6 TE Transmute looks like.

It'll be round and orange. On the front, there will be a bunch of dimples around the perimeter. The True Dungeon logo will be stamped on the back.

I think that covers all the important details, right?
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Treasure Enhancer Value vs Cost 3 months 2 weeks ago #47

Druegar wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: I'm still curious to see what the 2025/6 TE Transmute looks like.

It'll be round and orange. On the front, there will be a bunch of dimples around the perimeter. The True Dungeon logo will be stamped on the back.

I think that covers all the important details, right?


100% covered, thanks!! :)

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Treasure Enhancer Value vs Cost 3 months 2 weeks ago #48

Druegar wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: I'm still curious to see what the 2025/6 TE Transmute looks like.

It'll be round and orange. On the front, there will be a bunch of dimples around the perimeter. The True Dungeon logo will be stamped on the back.


These dimples are the last straw. I demand an alternate recipe with divots instead!
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