TOPIC: Best Possible Treasure Enhancer Configuration

Fiddy wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: I still think what Jeff does in 2026 will largely depend on how many of the new Legendary Transmute he wants out there. No alternate recipe would limit it to the amount of AoTF in circulation (Jeff might have a good idea how many that is), an alternate recipe would of course increase that amount. Plus, I'm sure Jeff will be intensely lobbied by both sides. He might be dreading dealing with this debate in 2026.

Jeff is pretty smart. I predict he retires the week after GenCon 2026 and makes someone else deal with this headache.

LOL!

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: I still think what Jeff does in 2026 will largely depend on how many of the new Legendary Transmute he wants out there. No alternate recipe would limit it to the amount of AoTF in circulation (Jeff might have a good idea how many that is), an alternate recipe would of course increase that amount. Plus, I'm sure Jeff will be intensely lobbied by both sides. He might be dreading dealing with this debate in 2026.

Jeff is pretty smart. I predict he retires the week after GenCon 2026 and makes someone else deal with this headache.

LOL!

Dont let us down Drake!

For the record I'm sitting on 4 aotf, I have no intention of selling before 2026, I think there should be an alt recipe, though I belive there will be an alt recipe I dont think there has been any official discussion on one yet.

I would probably be against a new legendary TE stacking with COA, but I suspect I will be in the minority there.

Picc wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: I still think what Jeff does in 2026 will largely depend on how many of the new Legendary Transmute he wants out there. No alternate recipe would limit it to the amount of AoTF in circulation (Jeff might have a good idea how many that is), an alternate recipe would of course increase that amount. Plus, I'm sure Jeff will be intensely lobbied by both sides. He might be dreading dealing with this debate in 2026.

Jeff is pretty smart. I predict he retires the week after GenCon 2026 and makes someone else deal with this headache.

LOL!

Dont let us down Drake!

For the record I'm sitting on 4 aotf, I have no intention of selling before 2026, I think there should be an alt recipe, though I belive there will be an alt recipe I dont think there has been any official discussion on one yet.

I would probably be against a new legendary TE stacking with COA, but I suspect I will be in the minority there.

If it helps, I totally agree that the new TE should not stack with the COA. Its possible it may not be as good as the COA, but lets presume its a 9 treasure set (4 from AoTF, 3 and 2 from new tokens) - do we really want people pulling 35 chips per adventure?

Endgame wrote:

Picc wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: I still think what Jeff does in 2026 will largely depend on how many of the new Legendary Transmute he wants out there. No alternate recipe would limit it to the amount of AoTF in circulation (Jeff might have a good idea how many that is), an alternate recipe would of course increase that amount. Plus, I'm sure Jeff will be intensely lobbied by both sides. He might be dreading dealing with this debate in 2026.

Jeff is pretty smart. I predict he retires the week after GenCon 2026 and makes someone else deal with this headache.

LOL!

Dont let us down Drake!

For the record I'm sitting on 4 aotf, I have no intention of selling before 2026, I think there should be an alt recipe, though I belive there will be an alt recipe I dont think there has been any official discussion on one yet.

I would probably be against a new legendary TE stacking with COA, but I suspect I will be in the minority there.

If it helps, I totally agree that the new TE should not stack with the COA. Its possible it may not be as good as the COA, but lets presume its a 9 treasure set (4 from AoTF, 3 and 2 from new tokens) - do we really want people pulling 35 chips per adventure?

If the two UR TEs after the nuggets do stack with the CoA (and I think it's pretty obvious they will), it doesn't make a lot of sense for the transmute that combines them to not transmute with the CoA.

And, I for one will very happily do 35 token pulls per Dungeon.

Mike Steele wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Picc wrote:

Wade Schwendemann wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: I still think what Jeff does in 2026 will largely depend on how many of the new Legendary Transmute he wants out there. No alternate recipe would limit it to the amount of AoTF in circulation (Jeff might have a good idea how many that is), an alternate recipe would of course increase that amount. Plus, I'm sure Jeff will be intensely lobbied by both sides. He might be dreading dealing with this debate in 2026.

Jeff is pretty smart. I predict he retires the week after GenCon 2026 and makes someone else deal with this headache.

LOL!

Dont let us down Drake!

For the record I'm sitting on 4 aotf, I have no intention of selling before 2026, I think there should be an alt recipe, though I belive there will be an alt recipe I dont think there has been any official discussion on one yet.

I would probably be against a new legendary TE stacking with COA, but I suspect I will be in the minority there.

If it helps, I totally agree that the new TE should not stack with the COA. Its possible it may not be as good as the COA, but lets presume its a 9 treasure set (4 from AoTF, 3 and 2 from new tokens) - do we really want people pulling 35 chips per adventure?

If the two UR TEs after the nuggets do stack with the CoA (and I think it's pretty obvious they will), it doesn't make a lot of sense for the transmute that combines them to not transmute with the CoA.

And, I for one will very happily do 35 token pulls per Dungeon.

Why is it obvious that any future TE UR's will stack with the CoA?

jedibcg wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

jedibcg wrote: sorry i fail to see any risk if you have an aotf and assume there won’t be alt recipe? or what risk there is for those same folks if there an alt. no one is saying there won’t be a recipe that uses them. And very likely it will be WAY ‘cheaper’ than an alt (assuming you got them as PYP or PYP prices).

The risk is holding onto it for 10 years and passing up selling it for a big profit now and having years to have the money work for you. It's an opportunity cost risk. Plenty of people have said they sold theirs for the money now, assuming they would have an alternate recipe in 2026. That's mostly if you already have a HoP or CoA, otherwise you're benefiting from the AoTF every run.

If you don't have one, the risk is bigger of course, since you're probably paying $300 or more and then holding onto it for 7 years.

plenty of people sold saying they believe there would be alt, really? please provide. i have seen folks saying they sold it, yes, but not because they believe there will be an alt. Not saying you are wrong, just asking you to provide data with a statement like that. Those also would NOT be the people that risk anything HAVING an AoTF and there being an alt.
Anyone holding onto one or several expecting to sell them in 10 is risking them going up the same as any other token for 10 years with expectancy of it selling it for more. That 10 year risk is always there. Granted how much it MAY go up is depentant on LOTS of factors.

This is the conversation I was thinking of. kurtreznor on post 9 agrees with my post about the lost opportunity cost of tying up that much value in tokens for 10 years and says that's why he sold his AoTFs, and he also says that (in his opinion of course) there will almost certainly be an alternate/second recipe. There were a couple of other posts regarding alternate recipes in that thread, but nothing too in depth.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=5&id=246738&start=0

Mike Steele wrote: [

If the two UR TEs after the nuggets do stack with the CoA (and I think it's pretty obvious they will), it doesn't make a lot of sense for the transmute that combines them to not transmute with the CoA.

And, I for one will very happily do 35 token pulls per Dungeon.

Interesting. In my own head I was fairly certain they were going to say something along the lines of "may not be equipped with coa, hop, or rotf" on them. I envisioned Jeff wanting to make a new set of TEs for the new wave of players, in order to let them 'catch up' as it were.

We will see!

I guess it’s all about perspective.

When someone talks about “opportunity cost” and selling now at a big profit before the price drops, I hear “scamming newbies.” It’s one of the reasons I don’t speculate with tokens, beyond what I use myself. I’m a lousy businessman. Too soft.

So that’s why I probably sound like I don’t have a lot of sympathy for that side of the debate.

Mike Steele wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

jedibcg wrote: sorry i fail to see any risk if you have an aotf and assume there won’t be alt recipe? or what risk there is for those same folks if there an alt. no one is saying there won’t be a recipe that uses them. And very likely it will be WAY ‘cheaper’ than an alt (assuming you got them as PYP or PYP prices).

The risk is holding onto it for 10 years and passing up selling it for a big profit now and having years to have the money work for you. It's an opportunity cost risk. Plenty of people have said they sold theirs for the money now, assuming they would have an alternate recipe in 2026. That's mostly if you already have a HoP or CoA, otherwise you're benefiting from the AoTF every run.

If you don't have one, the risk is bigger of course, since you're probably paying $300 or more and then holding onto it for 7 years.

plenty of people sold saying they believe there would be alt, really? please provide. i have seen folks saying they sold it, yes, but not because they believe there will be an alt. Not saying you are wrong, just asking you to provide data with a statement like that. Those also would NOT be the people that risk anything HAVING an AoTF and there being an alt.
Anyone holding onto one or several expecting to sell them in 10 is risking them going up the same as any other token for 10 years with expectancy of it selling it for more. That 10 year risk is always there. Granted how much it MAY go up is depentant on LOTS of factors.

This is the conversation I was thinking of. kurtreznor on post 9 agrees with my post about the lost opportunity cost of tying up that much value in tokens for 10 years and says that's why he sold his AoTFs, and he also says that (in his opinion of course) there will almost certainly be an alternate/second recipe. There were a couple of other posts regarding alternate recipes in that thread, but nothing too in depth.

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=5&id=246738&start=0

I read that entire thread. I still question the plenty that sold expecting an alt as Kent is the only person i saw in it that said so.

One thing to consider is if we knew there was going to be an alt recipe, it might cause people holding for the legendary to release a few more AOTFs to the people who would actually use them rather then just sitting in parallel to their COAs.

Also worth mentioning we don't know for sure if we will be getting two new TE's after the nuggets. Odds are really good there will always be a TE in print but it could be a reprint. Personally I would love to see CoGF get reprinted (maybe even before the final nugget since it would allow folks who missed it to catchup, help out everyone who already has one, and delay raising in the loot cap for a few more years without impacting the next legendary), just food for thought.

jpotter wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: [

If the two UR TEs after the nuggets do stack with the CoA (and I think it's pretty obvious they will), it doesn't make a lot of sense for the transmute that combines them to not transmute with the CoA.

And, I for one will very happily do 35 token pulls per Dungeon.

Interesting. In my own head I was fairly certain they were going to say something along the lines of "may not be equipped with coa, hop, or rotf" on them. I envisioned Jeff wanting to make a new set of TEs for the new wave of players, in order to let them 'catch up' as it were.

We will see!

I feel like I would be pretty surprised if they didn't continue the AoTF route of non-nugget TEs not stacking with CoA.

Azzy wrote:

jpotter wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: [

If the two UR TEs after the nuggets do stack with the CoA (and I think it's pretty obvious they will), it doesn't make a lot of sense for the transmute that combines them to not transmute with the CoA.

And, I for one will very happily do 35 token pulls per Dungeon.

Interesting. In my own head I was fairly certain they were going to say something along the lines of "may not be equipped with coa, hop, or rotf" on them. I envisioned Jeff wanting to make a new set of TEs for the new wave of players, in order to let them 'catch up' as it were.

We will see!

I feel like I would be pretty surprised if they didn't continue the AoTF route of non-nugget TEs not stacking with CoA.

I feel like its going to be a "spirited" discussion from both sides. Honestly I'm not looking forward to it.