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The Skull of Cavadar: Part Deux 1 year 9 months ago #241

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I don't see any confusion between the two posts, but admit maybe I am confused about that.

Jeff had an intent when he posted that Druegar didn't know (or remember) some time later. And if you continue that post, others pointed out that it was discussed previously. Ralykam even references a post which Jeff said the same thing that no longer exists. Others chime in that they remember that the transmute will not work with the skull, but unfortunately do not provide any other direct quotes.

Now it is possible that there was a change between those two posts because of internal discussions, but I think it is more likely that Druegar didn't know (or forgot) what Jeff said in that one post because as Druegar says in that post "token's power has not been decided." I don't think any thought had been given to the completed transmute.

The last thing I find interesting in that thread (when I read it yesterday) is there was a discussion of transmuting ingredients for the possible transmute including using a UR as a substitute by Fiddy.
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The Skull of Cavadar: Part Deux 1 year 9 months ago #242

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Harlax wrote: You forgot the rage quit threat. And posting terrible things on Facebook, Reddit and the GenCon forums. ;)


Shoot, I totally did. my Bad!

I was also gonna have E) Remove Druid from the list of classes who can use this, including anyone who has EVER played a Druid, or who might be purchasing it on behalf of someone who has been known to play Druid.

..... And as someone who has THE MOST PLAYER XP in True Dungeon, you should all listen to ME about what's best for this game, or else I will never play it again. EVER. (but I'll still buy XP cards off eBay, and input them, to keep my unbroken XP record. So there.)
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The Skull of Cavadar: Part Deux 1 year 9 months ago #243

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Anthony Barnstable wrote:

edwin wrote: Posting #42
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250035&start=36#347657

Posting #2
truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=615&id=250586&start=0#356932

. So the speculation by even Druegar himself was exactly what I said and what I imagine the rest of the community thought too.

Jeff did. later say once in a design post and nowhere else that wasn’t the case, effectively acknowledging the token text as printed was not unambiguous (implying they same of the tdb entry). Good to know.


Oh man, I'm dying here. Your post makes exactly as much sense as some of the debates I've been trying to follow.
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The Skull of Cavadar: Part Deux 1 year 9 months ago #244

Raven wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: This thread needs more Druid debate!

Go! :dry:


Hold my beer: I got this!

NO WAY this token should go to print in its current form! A Druid with access to this has a potential 990 POINTS of damage over 10 rounds of combat! And if they Polymorph after doing all that damage, they could TURN INTO A LICH!
Seriously, has no one but me considered the CONSEQUENCES a token like this could have on the longevity of True Dungeon as a game? Can no one see the POWER CREEP?!?!? LICHES WILL STEAL YOUR CoA's!!

After I've invested eleventy-billion dollars* in my token collection, I am absolutely incensed that my tokens could be devalued by a party member turning into a Lich, because they will steal ALL my URTEs and without a solid cap on treasure pulls, the entire TD economy will collapse. I'm not just thinking about this for my own self interest, either. If Jeff loses the faith of the token-buying community, I'm afraid TD will never financially recover. Jeff and his family will be living in a van down by the river!

The only way this token should be printed is if we:

A) Have it grant +1 Level to anyone with a "B" in their last name,
B ) Have it provide at LEAST 3 Charm slot expanders, and 5 more Iouns,
C) +4 CON to keep in competitive with proposed Elfstone Shared (or, just move +4 Con to the Shard, thanks)
D) Make it a Wildcard part of ANY set
and while we're at it, I think we should adjust the graphics to include more Sapphires!

Don't hate on me: I'm just trying to consider game balance here!


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The Skull of Cavadar: Part Deux 1 year 9 months ago #245

SnakeEyes (Eric) wrote:

Raven wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: This thread needs more Druid debate!

Go! :dry:


Hold my beer: I got this!

NO WAY this token should go to print in its current form! A Druid with access to this has a potential 990 POINTS of damage over 10 rounds of combat! And if they Polymorph after doing all that damage, they could TURN INTO A LICH!
Seriously, has no one but me considered the CONSEQUENCES a token like this could have on the longevity of True Dungeon as a game? Can no one see the POWER CREEP?!?!? LICHES WILL STEAL YOUR CoA's!!

After I've invested eleventy-billion dollars* in my token collection, I am absolutely incensed that my tokens could be devalued by a party member turning into a Lich, because they will steal ALL my URTEs and without a solid cap on treasure pulls, the entire TD economy will collapse. I'm not just thinking about this for my own self interest, either. If Jeff loses the faith of the token-buying community, I'm afraid TD will never financially recover. Jeff and his family will be living in a van down by the river!

The only way this token should be printed is if we:

A) Have it grant +1 Level to anyone with a "B" in their last name,
B ) Have it provide at LEAST 3 Charm slot expanders, and 5 more Iouns,
C) +4 CON to keep in competitive with proposed Elfstone Shared (or, just move +4 Con to the Shard, thanks)
D) Make it a Wildcard part of ANY set
and while we're at it, I think we should adjust the graphics to include more Sapphires!

Don't hate on me: I'm just trying to consider game balance here!


*Canadian. So, with conversion to US, about $250 total.


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The Skull of Cavadar: Part Deux 1 year 9 months ago #246

FatalDrakkon wrote:

SnakeEyes (Eric) wrote:

Raven wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: This thread needs more Druid debate!

Go! :dry:


Hold my beer: I got this!

NO WAY this token should go to print in its current form! A Druid with access to this has a potential 990 POINTS of damage over 10 rounds of combat! And if they Polymorph after doing all that damage, they could TURN INTO A LICH!
Seriously, has no one but me considered the CONSEQUENCES a token like this could have on the longevity of True Dungeon as a game? Can no one see the POWER CREEP?!?!? LICHES WILL STEAL YOUR CoA's!!

After I've invested eleventy-billion dollars* in my token collection, I am absolutely incensed that my tokens could be devalued by a party member turning into a Lich, because they will steal ALL my URTEs and without a solid cap on treasure pulls, the entire TD economy will collapse. I'm not just thinking about this for my own self interest, either. If Jeff loses the faith of the token-buying community, I'm afraid TD will never financially recover. Jeff and his family will be living in a van down by the river!

The only way this token should be printed is if we:

A) Have it grant +1 Level to anyone with a "B" in their last name,
B ) Have it provide at LEAST 3 Charm slot expanders, and 5 more Iouns,
C) +4 CON to keep in competitive with proposed Elfstone Shared (or, just move +4 Con to the Shard, thanks)
D) Make it a Wildcard part of ANY set
and while we're at it, I think we should adjust the graphics to include more Sapphires!

Don't hate on me: I'm just trying to consider game balance here!


*Canadian. So, with conversion to US, about $250 total.


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It does make me want to polymorph after doing an obscene amount of damage to see if I turn into a Lich so that I can steal everyone's URTEs. ;)

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The Skull of Cavadar: Part Deux 1 year 9 months ago #247

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It does make me want to polymorph after doing an obscene amount of damage to see if I turn into a Lich so that I can steal everyone's URTEs. ;)


I assumed you already had. Dr. Uid-Lich >Draco-lich

It's why you have all the TEs for your group, plus so many spares......
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The Skull of Cavadar: Part Deux 1 year 9 months ago #248

Mike Steele wrote:

FatalDrakkon wrote:

SnakeEyes (Eric) wrote:

Raven wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: This thread needs more Druid debate!

Go! :dry:


Hold my beer: I got this!

NO WAY this token should go to print in its current form! A Druid with access to this has a potential 990 POINTS of damage over 10 rounds of combat! And if they Polymorph after doing all that damage, they could TURN INTO A LICH!
Seriously, has no one but me considered the CONSEQUENCES a token like this could have on the longevity of True Dungeon as a game? Can no one see the POWER CREEP?!?!? LICHES WILL STEAL YOUR CoA's!!

After I've invested eleventy-billion dollars* in my token collection, I am absolutely incensed that my tokens could be devalued by a party member turning into a Lich, because they will steal ALL my URTEs and without a solid cap on treasure pulls, the entire TD economy will collapse. I'm not just thinking about this for my own self interest, either. If Jeff loses the faith of the token-buying community, I'm afraid TD will never financially recover. Jeff and his family will be living in a van down by the river!

The only way this token should be printed is if we:

A) Have it grant +1 Level to anyone with a "B" in their last name,
B ) Have it provide at LEAST 3 Charm slot expanders, and 5 more Iouns,
C) +4 CON to keep in competitive with proposed Elfstone Shared (or, just move +4 Con to the Shard, thanks)
D) Make it a Wildcard part of ANY set
and while we're at it, I think we should adjust the graphics to include more Sapphires!

Don't hate on me: I'm just trying to consider game balance here!


*Canadian. So, with conversion to US, about $250 total.


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It does make me want to polymorph after doing an obscene amount of damage to see if I turn into a Lich so that I can steal everyone's URTEs. ;)


Ooh! if you do that can me and a Cleric come with so they can cast resurrection on your Lich form to obliterate you so we get all the TE loots? :P

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The Skull of Cavadar: Part Deux 1 year 9 months ago #249

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: [

It does make me want to polymorph after doing an obscene amount of damage to see if I turn into a Lich so that I can steal everyone's URTEs. ;)


I assumed you already had. Dr. Uid-Lich >Draco-lich

It's why you have all the TEs for your group, plus so many spares......


You've guessed my secret. ;)

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The Skull of Cavadar: Part Deux 1 year 9 months ago #250

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

FatalDrakkon wrote:

SnakeEyes (Eric) wrote:

Raven wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: This thread needs more Druid debate!

Go! :dry:


Hold my beer: I got this!

NO WAY this token should go to print in its current form! A Druid with access to this has a potential 990 POINTS of damage over 10 rounds of combat! And if they Polymorph after doing all that damage, they could TURN INTO A LICH!
Seriously, has no one but me considered the CONSEQUENCES a token like this could have on the longevity of True Dungeon as a game? Can no one see the POWER CREEP?!?!? LICHES WILL STEAL YOUR CoA's!!

After I've invested eleventy-billion dollars* in my token collection, I am absolutely incensed that my tokens could be devalued by a party member turning into a Lich, because they will steal ALL my URTEs and without a solid cap on treasure pulls, the entire TD economy will collapse. I'm not just thinking about this for my own self interest, either. If Jeff loses the faith of the token-buying community, I'm afraid TD will never financially recover. Jeff and his family will be living in a van down by the river!

The only way this token should be printed is if we:

A) Have it grant +1 Level to anyone with a "B" in their last name,
B ) Have it provide at LEAST 3 Charm slot expanders, and 5 more Iouns,
C) +4 CON to keep in competitive with proposed Elfstone Shared (or, just move +4 Con to the Shard, thanks)
D) Make it a Wildcard part of ANY set
and while we're at it, I think we should adjust the graphics to include more Sapphires!

Don't hate on me: I'm just trying to consider game balance here!


*Canadian. So, with conversion to US, about $250 total.


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It does make me want to polymorph after doing an obscene amount of damage to see if I turn into a Lich so that I can steal everyone's URTEs. ;)


Ooh! if you do that can me and a Cleric come with so they can cast resurrection on your Lich form to obliterate you so we get all the TE loots? :P


Maybe if you don't obliterate me I'll cut you in for a share. ;)

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The Skull of Cavadar: Part Deux 1 year 9 months ago #251

Mike Steele wrote:

Arcanist Kolixela wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

FatalDrakkon wrote:

SnakeEyes (Eric) wrote:

Raven wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: This thread needs more Druid debate!

Go! :dry:


Hold my beer: I got this!

NO WAY this token should go to print in its current form! A Druid with access to this has a potential 990 POINTS of damage over 10 rounds of combat! And if they Polymorph after doing all that damage, they could TURN INTO A LICH!
Seriously, has no one but me considered the CONSEQUENCES a token like this could have on the longevity of True Dungeon as a game? Can no one see the POWER CREEP?!?!? LICHES WILL STEAL YOUR CoA's!!

After I've invested eleventy-billion dollars* in my token collection, I am absolutely incensed that my tokens could be devalued by a party member turning into a Lich, because they will steal ALL my URTEs and without a solid cap on treasure pulls, the entire TD economy will collapse. I'm not just thinking about this for my own self interest, either. If Jeff loses the faith of the token-buying community, I'm afraid TD will never financially recover. Jeff and his family will be living in a van down by the river!

The only way this token should be printed is if we:

A) Have it grant +1 Level to anyone with a "B" in their last name,
B ) Have it provide at LEAST 3 Charm slot expanders, and 5 more Iouns,
C) +4 CON to keep in competitive with proposed Elfstone Shared (or, just move +4 Con to the Shard, thanks)
D) Make it a Wildcard part of ANY set
and while we're at it, I think we should adjust the graphics to include more Sapphires!

Don't hate on me: I'm just trying to consider game balance here!


*Canadian. So, with conversion to US, about $250 total.


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It does make me want to polymorph after doing an obscene amount of damage to see if I turn into a Lich so that I can steal everyone's URTEs. ;)


Ooh! if you do that can me and a Cleric come with so they can cast resurrection on your Lich form to obliterate you so we get all the TE loots? :P


Maybe if you don't obliterate me I'll cut you in for a share. ;)


Hmm.. I'll consider it...

*glances behind you*

Sorry man, no go, Nightshade says we don't split loot :P

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The Skull of Cavadar: Part Deux 1 year 9 months ago #252

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

Mike Steele wrote: [

It does make me want to polymorph after doing an obscene amount of damage to see if I turn into a Lich so that I can steal everyone's URTEs. ;)


I assumed you already had. Dr. Uid-Lich >Draco-lich

It's why you have all the TEs for your group, plus so many spares......


You've guessed my secret. ;)


Hmmm....now we know your secret, and how to defeat you!
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