Endgame wrote:
Mike Steele wrote:
Endgame wrote:
Fiddy wrote:
Endgame wrote: Can cleric get some love this year?
Ring of quick blessing
Please change to non damage spells, add bard
Ring of expertise
Please add druid and cleric and change to non healing spells.
If we went this route, would it make sense to also go ahead and add Wizard to Quick Blessing? There may not be a use currently, but could be useful when cards get redone (or with spellbook)?
While we're at it, maybe shift Quick Blessing to 0th and 1st level non-damage spells?
Yes, I think this would be fine, as long as Quick Blessing went to non damage spells - Wizard doesn't currently have any use, but, like you said, the future spellbook could have some cool, low powered options with it.
Again, per the analysis I just posted, I think without this Ring the max spell damage the Druid can do is in the 530 point ballpark. Far, far under what the Wizard will be able to do. Ring of Quick Blessing needs to include damage spells just to keep the Druid within long-range sight of the Wizard in damage. The five turn limit isn't even needed for the Druid, because from what I can see even with Charm of Spell Swapping the Druid is only going to be getting 10 damage spells, so if five of them are used as instant spells, the Druid is all out of damage spells after five turns.
This token doesn't need to do deal damage at all to work with the Cleric, and it's the item that is part of the cleric transmute. I don't want to compromise the token so some other class can use it. I also don't think this token is balanced with damage included, so no, its not OK to give it with unlimited uses to the druid.
This attitude isn't helping anyone.
Clerics feel a lot of ownership towards this token, but until it goes final and is printed...Jeff is the owner.
It's fine to advocate for your position. I assure you this position has been advocated. And advocated.
The newest
intended iteration of this ring was shown in post #129
https://truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=640&id=251650&start=120#378555
Dozens of posts have decreed why this is bad, and how it punishes the Cleric. Then in post #248, Jeff reaffirms that his changes are not an oversight.
https://truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=640&id=251650&start=240#378836
Concerned parties continue to express basically the same concerns for a sizable chunk of the remaining 80+ posts in that thread. Then the final draft is published and the ring remained unchanged.
I think everyone has to agree that Jeff has been super receptive during this process. It's clear he's followed the back and forth. He's even poked fun at the Dr. Uid debate that spiraled (I assume at least partly) from this discussion.
Have the nay-sayers anyone stopped to consider that
maybe this is just the token that he wants to make?
If you feel an uncontrollable rage towards how the design of this token has gone, and feel TPTB are totally wrong and still don't understand how you feel, continue to post.
I just don't think new ground had been tread on the subject in a long while.
If new folks want to chime in with anything at all, I think that would be more beneficial than the current conversation on this token.
"IMHO we like to solve problems here on the forums that are only perceived problems due to a myopic view." -Bob C