TOPIC: 2022 Recipe Discussion

Finally had time too break down the numbers a bit better
Next year if I didn’t have a math error and not accounting for distilled healing or anything like that, and rounding up to the full trade good

8k order
Ink 48
Parchment 62
Plank 136
Steel 68
Munition 19
Hide 34
Silk 131
Stone 78
Aragonite 9
Bismuth 14
Oil 12

So if you do a 8k order you are 1 hide short of making Luna’s or 6 hides Short of making Muk’s

To make 1 each of the legendary’s not including gold from UR to legendary, you would be 7 inks short, 41 hides short, and 12 stones short. Also it would take 550 trade goods not including gold.
This leaves you 121 extra trade goods from the 8k buy and short 60 key tokens to finish the 2 legendary’s

I think if there is an MH shortage, it will be temporary and ultimately could make for an interesting trade dynamic for this year. I think sometimes we look too much to balance the recipes to perfection instead of letting imperfection being something we can ultimately play thru on the meta

Jamie Campbell wrote: I think if there is an MH shortage, it will be temporary and ultimately could make for an interesting trade dynamic for this year. I think sometimes we look too much to balance the recipes to perfection instead of letting imperfection being something we can ultimately play thru on the meta

If by "interesting trade dynamic" you mean MH increase several times in price while all other TG (besides MS and DP, set to increase due to the map) fall off in price, then yes.

Personally, I can't help but view this as an artificial way to increase 8k orders, which are the only realistic source of MH. It feels very gougey.

Jamie Campbell wrote: I think if there is an MH shortage, it will be temporary and ultimately could make for an interesting trade dynamic for this year. I think sometimes we look too much to balance the recipes to perfection instead of letting imperfection being something we can ultimately play thru on the meta

Agree. And if Hide is scarce then next year TD can design more common Hide Tokens if they want. Just because Hide is light one year based on how Token design was done doesn't matter much IMO. Over time things balance out. I am personally sitting on mounds of Hide.

Rob F wrote:

Jamie Campbell wrote: I think if there is an MH shortage, it will be temporary and ultimately could make for an interesting trade dynamic for this year. I think sometimes we look too much to balance the recipes to perfection instead of letting imperfection being something we can ultimately play thru on the meta

Agree. And if Hide is scarce then next year TD can design more common Hide Tokens if they want. Just because Hide is light one year based on how Token design was done doesn't matter much IMO. Over time things balance out. I am personally sitting on mounds of Hide.

Great! List 1000 at $1 each and you can carry us though the drought in hide.

I personally think it’s absurd that a 8k purchase isn’t enough to make a relic then legendary in the same year.

2k purchases are more common and anyone making one of them that doesn’t have a pile of hides already will not have a chance next year.
I think hides required for next year’s relics and legendary should be cut in half.

Endgame wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Jamie Campbell wrote: I think if there is an MH shortage, it will be temporary and ultimately could make for an interesting trade dynamic for this year. I think sometimes we look too much to balance the recipes to perfection instead of letting imperfection being something we can ultimately play thru on the meta

Agree. And if Hide is scarce then next year TD can design more common Hide Tokens if they want. Just because Hide is light one year based on how Token design was done doesn't matter much IMO. Over time things balance out. I am personally sitting on mounds of Hide.

Great! List 1000 at $1 each and you can carry us though the drought in hide.

Unfortunately 1000 would not be enough for the community. What Rob apparently fails to understand is that Hides are ALWAYS fewer than Steel. Gouging us one year and then making too many the next year is a terrible way to handle it.

jedibcg wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Jamie Campbell wrote: I think if there is an MH shortage, it will be temporary and ultimately could make for an interesting trade dynamic for this year. I think sometimes we look too much to balance the recipes to perfection instead of letting imperfection being something we can ultimately play thru on the meta

Agree. And if Hide is scarce then next year TD can design more common Hide Tokens if they want. Just because Hide is light one year based on how Token design was done doesn't matter much IMO. Over time things balance out. I am personally sitting on mounds of Hide.

Great! List 1000 at $1 each and you can carry us though the drought in hide.

Unfortunately 1000 would not be enough for the community. What Rob apparently fails to understand is that Hides are ALWAYS fewer than Steel. Gouging us one year and then making too many the next year is a terrible way to handle it.

List them at $2.50, the treasure map is worth it at $1 hide.

macxdmg wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Jamie Campbell wrote: I think if there is an MH shortage, it will be temporary and ultimately could make for an interesting trade dynamic for this year. I think sometimes we look too much to balance the recipes to perfection instead of letting imperfection being something we can ultimately play thru on the meta

Agree. And if Hide is scarce then next year TD can design more common Hide Tokens if they want. Just because Hide is light one year based on how Token design was done doesn't matter much IMO. Over time things balance out. I am personally sitting on mounds of Hide.

Great! List 1000 at $1 each and you can carry us though the drought in hide.

Unfortunately 1000 would not be enough for the community. What Rob apparently fails to understand is that Hides are ALWAYS fewer than Steel. Gouging us one year and then making too many the next year is a terrible way to handle it.

List them at $2.50, the treasure map is worth it at $1 hide.

At $2.50 each I’d definitely be a customer. I have 16 on hand, and the 2k order I plan to do next year only gets me to 24 or 25 of them.

jedibcg wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Rob F wrote:

Jamie Campbell wrote: I think if there is an MH shortage, it will be temporary and ultimately could make for an interesting trade dynamic for this year. I think sometimes we look too much to balance the recipes to perfection instead of letting imperfection being something we can ultimately play thru on the meta

Agree. And if Hide is scarce then next year TD can design more common Hide Tokens if they want. Just because Hide is light one year based on how Token design was done doesn't matter much IMO. Over time things balance out. I am personally sitting on mounds of Hide.

Great! List 1000 at $1 each and you can carry us though the drought in hide.

Unfortunately 1000 would not be enough for the community. What Rob apparently fails to understand is that Hides are ALWAYS fewer than Steel. Gouging us one year and then making too many the next year is a terrible way to handle it.

I actually have more Hide them Steel. And I don't typically transmute much or resell. So maybe in years past hide was more common then steel from the sets. Or maybe all the 10 packs over the years I've opened have just been weighted more towards hide. I don't know. All I'm saying is it seems to balance out over time. Munition was hard to get years back now it's not in high demand. Silk was too now everyone has it. Stone was like plank now it's more in demand. Things ebb and flow with the TG's

Rob F wrote:
I actually have more Hide them Steel. And I don't typically transmute much or resell. So maybe in years past hide was more common then steel from the sets. Or maybe all the 10 packs over the years I've opened have just been weighted more towards hide. I don't know. All I'm saying is it seems to balance out over time. Munition was hard to get years back now it's not in high demand. Silk was too now everyone has it. Stone was like plank now it's more in demand. Things ebb and flow with the TG's

There hasn't been a single year that is in the tokenbd that there was more MH than DS. As I said MH is ALWAYS fewer than DS in the collection. And recipes have respected that.

Total tokens that convert to DS 125.
Total tokens that convert to MH 77.

I already broke down back to 2020.
2003 1DS/0MH
2004 1DS/0MH
2005 9/3
'06 11/3
'07 11/4
'08 10/4
'09 11/4
10 8/5
11 9/5
12 10/6
13 10/5
14 10/5
15 9/5
16 9/6
17 8/6
18 8/6
19 9/6

Admittedly it has gotten closer to par that where it started. And I am not advocating that they be equal. But that means that the requirements shouldn't be equal. Yes some trade goods have gone up and down. I prefer stability to that though.

jedibcg wrote:

Rob F wrote:
I actually have more Hide them Steel. And I don't typically transmute much or resell. So maybe in years past hide was more common then steel from the sets. Or maybe all the 10 packs over the years I've opened have just been weighted more towards hide. I don't know. All I'm saying is it seems to balance out over time. Munition was hard to get years back now it's not in high demand. Silk was too now everyone has it. Stone was like plank now it's more in demand. Things ebb and flow with the TG's

There hasn't been a single year that is in the tokenbd that there was more MH than DS. As I said MH is ALWAYS fewer than DS in the collection. And recipes have respected that.

Total tokens that convert to DS 125.
Total tokens that convert to MH 77.

I already broke down back to 2020.
2003 1DS/0MH
2004 1DS/0MH
2005 9/3
'06 11/3
'07 11/4
'08 10/4
'09 11/4
10 8/5
11 9/5
12 10/6
13 10/5
14 10/5
15 9/5
16 9/6
17 8/6
18 8/6
19 9/6

Admittedly it has gotten closer to par that where it started. And I am not advocating that they be equal. But that means that the requirements shouldn't be equal. Yes some trade goods have gone up and down. I prefer stability to that though.

Thats good data. I'd be interested to see how many total Steel/Hide it took to make each years Legendary and Relic tokens. And then compare that to your numbers above. My memory is the transmutes have historically required more Steel, which is why I think I have more Hide because when I do transmute more steel gets sucked up. Looking at just 2014 legendaries/relics, if you wanted to make one of each you would have needed 135 Steel to only 39 Hide. So even though that year there was a 2:1 ratio of steel/hide when converting your tokens to TG's it took over THREE times the steel to make your transmutes. So the recipes were off that year and should have required more hide. If other past years were similar then I don't see why having one year off the other way is a big deal.