TOPIC: 2023 Re-Print Ideas

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: It is, but "I have no plans to do a complete reprint of any Relic, but we might eventually get around to making something that is sort of like an old one...so instead of a Ring that is +4 to saves, it might be +2 saves and +6 hit points." is exactly as black and white as the TE thread I referenced.

I do think that proclamations 5+ years in advance is kind of absurd, but if we're holding to one, we should hold to all.

More practically, we should all be flexible and be willing to accept that while "Jeff said X 7 years ago" is a reason for us to have acted or not in a certain way, "Jeff changed his mind" should also be an acceptable reason for any given decision.

If my AoTF were to lose 75% of their "value" tomorrow, I'd be sad. The day after tomorrow, I'd be over it.

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether the two are equally "set in stone", as the TE statements were made in a thread Jeff created specifically to state what the plans are, and to me "I have no plans" is more flexible than "We will..." types of statements. I think we do agree though that there won't be any reprints of any Relics unless Jeff says there will be.

Reasonable people can disagree about almost anything.....

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: It is, but "I have no plans to do a complete reprint of any Relic, but we might eventually get around to making something that is sort of like an old one...so instead of a Ring that is +4 to saves, it might be +2 saves and +6 hit points." is exactly as black and white as the TE thread I referenced.

I do think that proclamations 5+ years in advance is kind of absurd, but if we're holding to one, we should hold to all.

More practically, we should all be flexible and be willing to accept that while "Jeff said X 7 years ago" is a reason for us to have acted or not in a certain way, "Jeff changed his mind" should also be an acceptable reason for any given decision.

If my AoTF were to lose 75% of their "value" tomorrow, I'd be sad. The day after tomorrow, I'd be over it.

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether the two are equally "set in stone", as the TE statements were made in a thread Jeff created specifically to state what the plans are, and to me "I have no plans" is more flexible than "We will..." types of statements. I think we do agree though that there won't be any reprints of any Relics unless Jeff says there will be.

Reasonable people can disagree about almost anything.....

A brainstorming thread isn't as productive if there isn't a diversity of ideas and thoughts for Jeff to consider.

I'd be okay with a reprint of AoTF, but I don't have any I have been waiting to resell for $$$. I think any statements regarding never reprinting stuff limits future sales. A policy of reprints only after X years out of circulation (maybe 5?) combined with a list of possible reprints for the near future would allow people to be prepared for changes in the value of their collections and give people a chance to root for a desired token to drop back into circulation.

I am pretty sure any plan to reprint the AoTF would create a spicy thread of comments. I don't expect it to come back, but one can dream

Fred K wrote:

-Some of these shouldn't be reprinted due to being too powerful (or should be re-printed and nerfed a bit) - those are:
+2 Assassin's Crossbow (should be X3 only on a nat 20)

Nerfing the crossbow is really just nerfing the rogue legendary. Also the nightshade dagger would instantly become better, so why reprint if you are just going to make it bad. Besides even with the legendary token and some good enhancements the Rogue still is a lower level of the damage dealing classes at high level. Nightshade currently is better if you don’t have some legendary buffs.

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: It is, but "I have no plans to do a complete reprint of any Relic, but we might eventually get around to making something that is sort of like an old one...so instead of a Ring that is +4 to saves, it might be +2 saves and +6 hit points." is exactly as black and white as the TE thread I referenced.

I do think that proclamations 5+ years in advance is kind of absurd, but if we're holding to one, we should hold to all.

More practically, we should all be flexible and be willing to accept that while "Jeff said X 7 years ago" is a reason for us to have acted or not in a certain way, "Jeff changed his mind" should also be an acceptable reason for any given decision.

If my AoTF were to lose 75% of their "value" tomorrow, I'd be sad. The day after tomorrow, I'd be over it.

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether the two are equally "set in stone", as the TE statements were made in a thread Jeff created specifically to state what the plans are, and to me "I have no plans" is more flexible than "We will..." types of statements. I think we do agree though that there won't be any reprints of any Relics unless Jeff says there will be.

Mike, come on Mike. Mike. Mike. Come on brother!! You gotta be kidding me. You are the king of Jeff proclamation quotes. At least this put a smile on my face, been a long day.

Rob F wrote:

Mike Steele wrote:

Wade Schwendemann (Dr. Uid) wrote: It is, but "I have no plans to do a complete reprint of any Relic, but we might eventually get around to making something that is sort of like an old one...so instead of a Ring that is +4 to saves, it might be +2 saves and +6 hit points." is exactly as black and white as the TE thread I referenced.

I do think that proclamations 5+ years in advance is kind of absurd, but if we're holding to one, we should hold to all.

More practically, we should all be flexible and be willing to accept that while "Jeff said X 7 years ago" is a reason for us to have acted or not in a certain way, "Jeff changed his mind" should also be an acceptable reason for any given decision.

If my AoTF were to lose 75% of their "value" tomorrow, I'd be sad. The day after tomorrow, I'd be over it.

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether the two are equally "set in stone", as the TE statements were made in a thread Jeff created specifically to state what the plans are, and to me "I have no plans" is more flexible than "We will..." types of statements. I think we do agree though that there won't be any reprints of any Relics unless Jeff says there will be.

Mike, come on Mike. Mike. Mike. Come on brother!! You gotta be kidding me. You are the king of Jeff proclamation quotes. At least this put a smile on my face, been a long day.

Rob, I'm happy to help brighten your day.

Fred K wrote: Gloves of Flying Fists (No idea how to fix this other than make the base attack use dex rather than str for ranged attacks using them)

Could be changed to one room. Then you must weigh the value of being able to attack at ranged for that one room vs. another type of gloves.

SeyLah’s +2 Sundering Cestus, but add Monk and Ranger to it and let it be a FoB weapon.

Grizwald wrote: SeyLah’s +2 Sundering Cestus, but add Monk and Ranger to it and let it be a FoB weapon.

Why Ranger?

Grizwald wrote:

Fred K wrote: Gloves of Flying Fists (No idea how to fix this other than make the base attack use dex rather than str for ranged attacks using them)

Could be changed to one room. Then you must weigh the value of being able to attack at ranged for that one room vs. another type of gloves.

Is that much of a difference though? How many dungeons require ranged attacks in more than one room?

Endgame wrote:

Grizwald wrote: SeyLah’s +2 Sundering Cestus, but add Monk and Ranger to it and let it be a FoB weapon.

Why Ranger?

Because sometimes you just need to punch a horse.

Maybe leave Ranger off it.

Flik wrote:

Fiddy wrote:

Iross wrote:

Dergidan wrote:

Guedoji wrote: Please reprint the ingredients for Totem of Heroism, if you plan to keep it pirate themed it will work, and it would allow more of us to do more runs to continue to collect the parts.

AGREED.

This set makes the most sense to me as something a player could save up for over time, trading and collecting.

+1. I'd like to see them reprinted quite a lot - this gives newer players an easier way to save up tokens for their first Legendary, and it's another way they can achieve a level 5 character without needing to purchase multiple UR tokens.

I'm not certain "Legendary" and "easier" are supposed to go together.

I agree. If you leave these tokens in the treasure or whatever for XX more years then every single player will have one and then why is it even Legendary and why do other level enhancers exist after this?

No way, its going to take years to get this token for most players. It gives the people who can't run 20 runs a weekend a chance to get a legendary. It won't diminish other + level tokens that can be purchased for a UR price, it's extremely hard get get and extremely expensive as it's getting people playing tons of runs to get.