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Finalish Transmuted Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #25

Rob F wrote: Another expander would just go on the other wrist.


? There is only one wrist slot?
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Finalish Transmuted Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #26

Rob F wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Rob F wrote: Yes, I too am very glad Jeff went away from more slot expanders. They are crazy OP. Luna's will forever be slot locked, as the Charms continue to get better so will Luna's.


Luna’s doesn’t have to be slot locked. A bead expander, IS expander, or combo expander in wrist slot would have people making different options


Not it wouldn't. Another expander would just go on the other wrist. So for God's sake please NO bead/stone wrist expanders. All they do is kill the current slot. For another Token to compete with an expander, in this case Luna's, it has to be better than FOUR other Tokens. Not going to happen. Create another four slot wrist expander and the wrist slot is dead, just characters walking through the dungeon with a bunch of Charms and Stones/Beads.


Rob, I'm confused. Luna's is a pair of bracelets, it takes the one Wrist slot. How could another expander go on the other wrist?

I'm not arguing in favor of any more expander transmute paths, although if there are any others I'd recommend only in the wrist slot.
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Finalish Transmuted Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #27

Rob F wrote:

Endgame wrote:

Rob F wrote: Yes, I too am very glad Jeff went away from more slot expanders. They are crazy OP. Luna's will forever be slot locked, as the Charms continue to get better so will Luna's.


Luna’s doesn’t have to be slot locked. A bead expander, IS expander, or combo expander in wrist slot would have people making different options


Not it wouldn't. Another expander would just go on the other wrist. So for God's sake please NO bead/stone wrist expanders. All they do is kill the current slot. For another Token to compete with an expander, in this case Luna's, it has to be better than FOUR other Tokens. Not going to happen. Create another four slot wrist expander and the wrist slot is dead, just characters walking through the dungeon with a bunch of Charms and Stones/Beads.

I'm not following you at all. How does a 4 bead slot expander kill wrist any more than Luna's already has? With a 4 bead wrist, you can choose to build either 4 extra beads or 4 extra charms - you still only have 1 wrist slot. Just keep stacking them all into the same slot so people have to choose -
do you want more Charms? Luna.
More Beads? <Blackbeard's bead expander>
More Iouns? < Icarus' ioun expander>
Crazy Combo? +1 bead, +1 charm, +1 Ioun, +1 badge (;)) <Chuck's Crazy combo expander>
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Finalish Transmuted Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #28

I like these. For people who couldn't get BoFW, the legendary transmute looks reasonable.

Next step - let's figure out how to make AC more important to the point where people might focus on it to the exclusion of some damage.

One downside to the boots transmute - it encourages Jeff to do more maze effects :) Time to get back into being able to draw that old maze book :) (and I have an idea for mazes for vtd)

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Finalish Transmuted Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #29

Likely to be the most unpopular idea so far:

We are noting how Wrist is super locked down by Luna's. If a 5 saves braclet isn't good enough, how bad does TaMor's feel? Lets just update that!

TaMor's +5 Mitral Bracers of Annihilation
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Usable as weapon by Monk, Fighters
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Finalish Transmuted Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #30

Endgame wrote:

Rob F wrote: Yes, I too am very glad Jeff went away from more slot expanders. They are crazy OP. Luna's will forever be slot locked, as the Charms continue to get better so will Luna's.


Luna’s doesn’t have to be slot locked. A bead expander, IS expander, or combo expander in wrist slot would have people making different options


I disagree with the premise that “it takes a slot expander to compete with a slot expander” and believe there is room in the bracer category for conversations regarding “best in slot” without other slot expanders.
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Finalish Transmuted Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #31

I'd be really excited about the save bracelets if I hadn't just transmitted the charm bracelets this year. I'm not going to transmit another wrist item immediately after dumping that many resources into a wrist item.

Boots look really good. I'm probably not going to make them, but that's because I mostly play wizard so AC is irrelevant to me. If I played a different kind of class I probably would make them.

The smaller transmutes all look good.
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Finalish Transmuted Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #32

AAckeret wrote: On the boots, I believe most previous instances of negate 50% Miss Chance haven’t had the word “the” in front of the phrase.


Replace "the" in that phrase with "no" and it should be consistent.

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Finalish Transmuted Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #33

I also like the idea of a legendary save ring as opposed to bracelets.

Boots look good.
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Finalish Transmuted Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #34

AAckeret wrote:

Rob F wrote: Another expander would just go on the other wrist.


? There is only one wrist slot?


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Finalish Transmuted Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #35

I like the name of the legendary boots... not at all like my suggestion a few weeks ago of Barb Beard's Brilliant Bead.

:p
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Finalish Transmuted Images 7 months 3 weeks ago #36

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I will echo what everyone else is saying the don't think the bracelets are going to be a winner right after a legendary transmute for them already and people like the ability to swap out charms.
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