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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 4 months 1 week ago #1

I swapped out the Bracelets for some general use Gloves for newer spellcasters. I made the Bead the new Transmuted token in place of the Bracelets.

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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 4 months 1 week ago #2

A token named Gloves of Focus already exists at rare level, so perhaps rename this UR one to Gloves of Greater Focus?

I wonder if perhaps the effect would be better at a +3 bonus rather than a +2 bonus as well, but since this is offering a boost to healing as well as damage it's not easy to make a clear comparison to hand slot items for non-spellcaster builds.
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 4 months 1 week ago #3

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The new gloves look like they'll appeal mostly to Druids and Clerics (wizards would use Blessed Tempest over these). I think that's a good thing.

I appreciate Wizards being added back to the robe.

I know there was talk of there one day being a "Tome" slot. Should it be "Tome of Spells" to reduce confusion when/if that day arrives?

I think Arcane Charm could (and should) include polymorph damage without becoming overpowered.

New Bead is very nice. It's going to force some hard decisions, especially for Rogues who will now have to choose from: BoLT, Guided Strike, BoB and BoW. My guess is BoLT will lose that battle. For the record, I think this is a great thing for the game-hard choices and build diversity are signs of a healthy, balanced system, in my eyes.
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 4 months 1 week ago #4

Gloves of Extra Focus or Gloves of Superior Focus. Greater continues the confusion with inconsistent naming conventions and will become more confusing when they get reprinted and become part of transmute path.

They also should say +2 Focus now that Focus is getting defined and is used on two other tokens in the same set, including another UR.
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 4 months 1 week ago #5

NightGod wrote: The new gloves look like they'll appeal mostly to Druids and Clerics (wizards would use Blessed Tempest over these). I think that's a good thing.

I appreciate Wizards being added back to the robe.

I know there was talk of there one day being a "Tome" slot. Should it be "Tome of Spells" to reduce confusion when/if that day arrives?

I think Arcane Charm could (and should) include polymorph damage without becoming overpowered.

New Bead is very nice. It's going to force some hard decisions, especially for Rogues who will now have to choose from: BoLT, Guided Strike, BoB and BoW. My guess is BoLT will lose that battle. For the record, I think this is a great thing for the game-hard choices and build diversity are signs of a healthy, balanced system, in my eyes.


I agree about adding polymorph to the Arcane Charm.

Rename gloves to Greater Gloves of Focus because of the rare Gloves of Focus?
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 4 months 1 week ago #6

Acherin's ring is better, but still feels unfortunately quite underwhelming. Ring slot is incredibly contested, and has a lot of hard choices. I guess it could allow one to tank saves and just make the most important one. This feels like a relic figurine rather than a ring to me. Any chance it could move to Bead, Charm, or Ioun Stone? Or maybe save this for a relic after reprinting Tortoise, Dragon, and Owl?

Echo those who would like Arcane Charm to say +2 Focus

Bead transmute definitely changes things. A LOT depends on where the next Legendary TE transmute ends.

Could see tome or book for the slot. If books become limited (wizards can't carry all that!) this one may not make the cut after Gregor's or Carter's.

Boots wording should be consistent. The "the" is absent from UR, present on transmutes.

Cloak is awesome.

Still love the reprints.

Gloves could just say +2 Focus, and definitely need a modifier. Superior seems good. Greater kind of goes with Relics (I think).

Greaves I'd like to see come out, and become some sort of a transmute, but that's almost certainly not going to happen.

Funnel is wonderful.

I like how the ioun stone and lenses balance.

I love the once per room on the necklace. Any chance it could become part of the Cabal set?

Would the robe be too good as +2 focus? It could then go on the party card.

Shirt seems just fine as it.
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 4 months 1 week ago #7

Is there a reason the robes limit to 1&2, and not just “spells gain their level in damage” and 0 get, well nothing, and 3rd get three? Is it to open up the potential of a relic, because right now this potentially replaces 5/7/9 dex, and ac everywhere (6-11 perks aside). It seems like a question in UR swapping, maybe a question in relic swapping (not likely). 3 wouldn’t change the equation unless there is interest in keeping relic space open, or card redesign space open I guess?

“Tome slot” being teased, and “card redesign” the idea that I can know what power UC scrolls as instant action 1/game will be competitive or not is an impossibility. It seems weak though. 1/room or including rare once per game (or any level scroll, transmuted scrolls?) would totally make it competitive even without any transmutes scrolls yet.

What others have said about the gloves of focus, renamed. The gloves of the wind are a question for wizards with these. I suppose that isn’t a bad thing.

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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 4 months 1 week ago #8

These look good.

For the Boots I'd like to see the effects they block be differentiated between the UR/Relic/Legendary. Maybe have the UR Boots block one effect, the Relic block two, and the Legendary block all of them. Then just add a point of AC to each to compensate.
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 4 months 1 week ago #9

Something I thought of later last night.

Gloves of Extra Focus should list which classes can use it. Looks like the norm these days for URs is bard included. Assumedly ranger is off and paladin with its spells after class redesign is off, too.
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 4 months 1 week ago #10

The more I think about Sacred, the more ridiculous I can see things getting.

I took an actual monk build I have that doesn't max damage. If both attacks hit with Sun Scimitars, would do an average of 140 damage against undead. Reason being is once strip out the non-Sacred damage, average damage from weapon and bonuses is 51 to undead. Then add back in the 19 points of typed damage. Now, the to hit modifier drops by 3 in each case due to going down from legendary weapons to UR.

Looking at a melee ranger build, again -3 to hit on each attack but assuming both still hit and not maxed for damage, 138 damage to undead.

For comparison, using Asher's as they are built, ranger would do 89 on average and monk 109 (Broken Benrow's still has +7 Sacred damage).

Of course, it gets funny if good aligned outsiders start popping up more often and playing VTD where switching weapons is too much of a hassle to bother with.
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Final Ultra Rare Images! (probably) 4 months 1 week ago #11

Looking good! The new gloves seem well balanced for Cleric and Druid, in that I will have to think fairly hard about whether they should replace my UR +Str gloves.

Ian Lee wrote: Gloves of Extra Focus or Gloves of Superior Focus. Greater continues the confusion with inconsistent naming conventions and will become more confusing when they get reprinted and become part of transmute path.


How about "Gloves of Fine Focus"? (IMO "Superior" feels like too much)

In general, Greater doesn't imply any specific rarity (currently tokendb.com/?fwp_token_search=greater lists 24 tokens with "Greater" in their names, only 5 of which are relics), but I agree that in this particular case it would be weird to have UR Gloves of Greater Focus alongside relic Ring of Greater Focus.

They also should say +2 Focus now that Focus is getting defined and is used on two other tokens in the same set, including another UR.


I like having it spelled out on the token in cases where there is plenty of room. Referencing TokenDB for clarification is wonderful, but not needing to is even better (especially for a 00 pull, and especially since some older "Focus" tokens did not include poly dmg).
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