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2023 Transmuted Recipes Proposals 1 year 9 months ago #133

If Eldritch/Arcanum are to reward play over multiple years they should also contain storyline monster bits similar to the 4c transmutes. I think it is too late to do that for the shirt, but I feel like as is they are just too easy for often being BIS. They make the Relics feel way too expensive.
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2023 Transmuted Recipes Proposals 1 year 9 months ago #134

OrionW wrote: If Eldritch/Arcanum are to reward play over multiple years they should also contain storyline monster bits similar to the 4c transmutes. I think it is too late to do that for the shirt, but I feel like as is they are just too easy for often being BIS. They make the Relics feel way too expensive.


I think those are two separate things. The 4C / Storyline transmute rewards play over several years, and the Eldritch / Arcanum rewards UR purchasing over several years.
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2023 Transmuted Recipes Proposals 1 year 9 months ago #135

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2023 Transmuted Recipes Proposals 1 year 9 months ago #136

Going to start a new thread?

Relic bead still takes more DS than legendary. Relic should really go down to 10x DS.

Recipe #2 for Billy really not including MBs?
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2023 Transmuted Recipes Proposals 1 year 9 months ago #137

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Ian Lee wrote: Going to start a new thread?

Hadn't planned on it.

Ian Lee wrote: Recipe #2 for Billy really not including MBs?

The omission of monster trophies on recipe 2 was not an accident.
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2023 Transmuted Recipes Proposals 1 year 9 months ago #138

The pent up amount of AG, EB, OE is vast. This second recipe "doubles" the amount that could be made as the greatest limiter was MBs (as people would likely not care enough to use gold).

Rather than artificial limitations on how many can be made, since they "all" can be made, should put economic limitations on how many people will bother making. Both recipes are too cheap from that standpoint.
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2023 Transmuted Recipes Proposals 1 year 9 months ago #139

I like the alternate recipe for the Map, although both recipes seem too low. I think they'd be transmuted in huge quantities at double the ingredient price. Looking at recent eBay sales, treasure draws are around $3 each or a bit more, which would make 20 of them worth around $60. The current ingredients are way under $60 (maybe under $30?), so that big differential in value might drive more of the "bad behavior" that has been talked about this year of people trying to find ways around the transmuting limit.
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2023 Transmuted Recipes Proposals 1 year 9 months ago #140

Based on average prices from the past 5 auctions, it would cost ~$52.00 to make the Map. That price includes the 20 trade goods and 3 trophies.

If you got lucky and got the goods at the absolute lowest price, you'd pay ~$40.

For reference, Enchanter's Munition is the current low cost leader.
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2023 Transmuted Recipes Proposals 1 year 9 months ago #141

Marc D wrote: Based on average prices from the past 5 auctions, it would cost ~$52.00 to make the Map. That price includes the 20 trade goods and 3 trophies.

If you got lucky and got the goods at the absolute lowest price, you'd pay ~$40.

For reference, Enchanter's Munition is the current low cost leader.


What are you pricing trophies at? In the latest auction EM went for $1.25 and MS went for $1.50. That would be a range of $25 - $30 for the TGs. It seems like monster trophies have been in the $5 range lately each, and 1K GP was $15 in the latest auction. That would put the price in the $40-$45 range. So, you have a point, doubling the trade goods might be too much. Going up 50% to any 30 might be good though. That would put the value at $52.50 to $60, which is right about what the pulls are selling for.

For Recipe 2, in the latest auction, that is a value of $27.50, which seems too low. Maybe the expectation is that by adding in recipe 2, the Aragonite, Elven Bismuth, and Oil of Enchantment prices will go back up. They could double their value and still be below where they were a few years ago.
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2023 Transmuted Recipes Proposals 1 year 9 months ago #142

Mike Steele wrote: What are you pricing trophies at? In the latest auction EM went for $1.25 and MS went for $1.50. That would be a range of $25 - $30 for the TGs. It seems like monster trophies have been in the $5 range lately each, and 1K GP was $15 in the latest auction. That would put the price in the $40-$45 range. So, you have a point, doubling the trade goods might be too much. Going up 50% to any 30 might be good though. That would put the value at $52.50 to $60, which is right about what the pulls are selling for.

For Recipe 2, in the latest auction, that is a value of $27.50, which seems too low. Maybe the expectation is that by adding in recipe 2, the Aragonite, Elven Bismuth, and Oil of Enchantment prices will go back up. They could double their value and still be below where they were a few years ago.


I'm pricing trophies at $5/each.

I'm also looking at the average price from the past 5 auctions to help normalize the data and account for outliers in any single auction. I don't want to draw conclusions from, for example, the auction back in April where Oil of Enchantment went for 25c each. That's clearly an anomaly and I wouldn't want to estimate the price for the Map Recipe 2 based on that freak occurrence.

I'll admit that I hadn't accounted for Beertram's latest. That brings the averages down a bit to where it's about $49 for Recipe 1. Lower than the $3/pull eBay price but a bit above the $2.33 average during the preorder period.

Based on averages of the last 5 auctions, I'd put 25 goods as the "right' point if you really want to hit $3/pull.
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2023 Transmuted Recipes Proposals 1 year 9 months ago #143

Boaz's has less DS requirements (10) then the Relic Bead (15). They should be at least equal if not more.

Vim's has the same Bismuth/Munition requirements as the Relic Boots, they should be bumped up by 1.

Shirt still needs to come up. If TPTB doesn't want to bump trade goods then I suggest at least make it 2 Fleece.

First recipe for OBBM is fine. Second one should be two of each Aragonite, Oil, Bismuth. Those three trade goods are going to continue to be in excess supply with Gen Con and now more VTD's.
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2023 Transmuted Recipes Proposals 1 year 9 months ago #144

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✅Boaz's has less DS requirements (10) than the Relic Bead (15).
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