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TOPIC: 2024 Token FAQ < Part Two

2024 Token FAQ < Part Two 1 year 3 months ago #25

Matthew Hayward wrote: It isn’t that complicated.

Under one scenario the 4 tokens needed to be purchased for the arcanum transmute are spread out over 5 years:

2024-5 the 1st token
2025-6 the 2nd token
2026-7 the 3rd token
2027-8 the 4th token

To get them all you need to buy 4 URs over 5 years, 2024-2028.

Under the current scenario, the 4 tokens needing to be purchased will be purchased over 4 years for people who have already spent their 2023 budget:

2024 for the 1st token
2024-5 for the 2nd token
2025-6 for the 3rd token
2026-7 for the 4th token.

To get them all you need to buy 4 URs over 4 years (assuming your 2023 token spend is already completed).

4 years is less than 5 years, and therefore more demanding on peoples budgets.


The example given is "someone whose budget was one PYP (for the multi-year token) per year + URTE every other". So 4 vs 5 years does not matter in that scenario. You're right its not that difficult to understand. The player has 2024-2028 to get all the pieces if they so choose.
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2024 Token FAQ < Part Two 1 year 2 months ago #26

Kusig wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: It isn’t that complicated.

Under one scenario the 4 tokens needed to be purchased for the arcanum transmute are spread out over 5 years:

2024-5 the 1st token
2025-6 the 2nd token
2026-7 the 3rd token
2027-8 the 4th token

To get them all you need to buy 4 URs over 5 years, 2024-2028.

Under the current scenario, the 4 tokens needing to be purchased will be purchased over 4 years for people who have already spent their 2023 budget:

2024 for the 1st token
2024-5 for the 2nd token
2025-6 for the 3rd token
2026-7 for the 4th token.

To get them all you need to buy 4 URs over 4 years (assuming your 2023 token spend is already completed).

4 years is less than 5 years, and therefore more demanding on peoples budgets.


The example given is "someone whose budget was one PYP (for the multi-year token) per year + URTE every other". So 4 vs 5 years does not matter in that scenario. You're right its not that difficult to understand. The player has 2024-2028 to get all the pieces if they so choose.


In the example given, you go from being "current" (that is, buying the PYP the year it comes out) to being "behind" by one year. What if you were already behind a year (e.g., you started in 2018, when the second of the Kilts was released, so you bought the 2017 Tavernbane and 2017 IS Silver Nugget that year)?

Will this set a precedent of the final year of a multi-year also possibly being the first of the next? Can this happen again in 2027 if players point out the next propose Arcanum item steps on the toes of a 2026 UR?
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2024 Token FAQ < Part Two 1 year 2 months ago #27

In the example given, they were buying 1.5 URs a year. They probably chose the correct options already. The new option is probably not as good as their old option, so all is well.
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2024 Token FAQ < Part Two 1 year 2 months ago #28

Kusig wrote:

Matthew Hayward wrote: It isn’t that complicated.

Under one scenario the 4 tokens needed to be purchased for the arcanum transmute are spread out over 5 years:

2024-5 the 1st token
2025-6 the 2nd token
2026-7 the 3rd token
2027-8 the 4th token

To get them all you need to buy 4 URs over 5 years, 2024-2028.

Under the current scenario, the 4 tokens needing to be purchased will be purchased over 4 years for people who have already spent their 2023 budget:

2024 for the 1st token
2024-5 for the 2nd token
2025-6 for the 3rd token
2026-7 for the 4th token.

To get them all you need to buy 4 URs over 4 years (assuming your 2023 token spend is already completed).

4 years is less than 5 years, and therefore more demanding on peoples budgets.


The example given is "someone whose budget was one PYP (for the multi-year token) per year + URTE every other". So 4 vs 5 years does not matter in that scenario. You're right its not that difficult to understand. The player has 2024-2028 to get all the pieces if they so choose.


I don’t know what example you’re talking about, but I’m not referring to URTEs at all.

It is simply a fact that retroactively changing a 2023 token to be more desirable and a necessary ingredient of a 4 year transmute decreases the amount of time the first token for the transmute is available as a pyp, and may put people who budget annually in a bind.

Them’s the facts - like ‘em or lump em.
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2024 Token FAQ < Part Two 1 year 2 months ago #29

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I definitely agree adding a token to transmute retroactively can have adverse consequences to those on a hard budget. And I agree those on a tight budget should be allowed to spend on things that bring them joy.

I do wonder the cross over of how many eldritch buyers and people on that tight of a budget there is, but that's me projecting my own past. Cause I could see myself getting into a rare build on my tightest budget, but I don't think I could have ever kept a UR. The difference selling it would have made would have been too much and too tempting.

But that's just my personal mindset, and I'm very much not as hard of collector at my core as others here. I get the urge to sell my TE sets that I just got cause I could potentially invest that money. My wife is actually the person that encouraged me to spend so there wasn't such a difference between me being so hesitant to spend and their love of tattoos :laugh:

Though this is all my relationship with money from coming from a not well off family and getting very very lucky with life
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