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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < SUPER FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 1 month ago #49

Ho-Yi Fung wrote: The Death Knight set came into existence to tie together three then-unrelated +STR items, and each other piece (and proposed piece) also grants STR. Seems a bit weird to have an item be part of the set that doesn't.

That said, I don't particularly hate this. If we were to have a DK cloak, as I'd rather have it as a non-damage-boosting item to keep the back slot as primarily +saves. And this is from someone who advocated pretty hard to have the DK Mail grant +STR!


I was kind of thinking along the same lines. On a positive side, this cloak would give more options to build a 6 piece set. But as I'm thinking about it, I'm feeling that the Cloak of Retribution is more synergetic to someone with the DK set. I'm also ok with the Wings of Wrath.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < SUPER FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 1 month ago #50

Kusig wrote:

Ho-Yi Fung wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: How about this for the Cloak? I am going to go with this one unless folks hate it. It seems like confusing than the weird "attack a flying monster 1/game as a Melee attack" power. This will probably only be grabbed by newbies, but it has a nice look and flavor to it.

Thanks for your patience.


The Death Knight set came into existence to tie together three then-unrelated +STR items, and each other piece (and proposed piece) also grants STR. Seems a bit weird to have an item be part of the set that doesn't.

That said, I don't particularly hate this. If we were to have a DK cloak, as I'd rather have it as a non-damage-boosting item to keep the back slot as primarily +saves. And this is from someone who advocated pretty hard to have the DK Mail grant +STR!

Oh, one thing though: it needs the /set-bonus link


Are we going to see a lot of undead touch attacks in 2024 and 2025 or will this basically just be +2 Cloak of Resistance 99% of the time? I think we go back to the Wings of Wrath and just let it stay that way.


Kinda agree, we have things to protect from these already. Do they need a reprint ? Or is it just something to put in there? I like the DK but it doesn’t feel like it fits with the rest.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < SUPER FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 1 month ago #51

Kusig wrote: Are we going to see a lot of undead touch attacks in 2024 and 2025 or will this basically just be +2 Cloak of Resistance 99% of the time? I think we go back to the Wings of Wrath and just let it stay that way.


I'm with Kusig; Wings of Wrath was something cool and different in the back slot, but this cloak is just not interesting. If I were a newbie looking for a UR cloak, I'd skip this and shop the secondary market for either a Lucky Cloak or a Butterfly Cloak instead.

IMO a more interesting Death Knight Cloak would incorporate some beneficial effect triggered by death (perhaps heal on monster's death a la tokendb.com/token/cadaver-charm/ , or heal on allies' death a la tokendb.com/token/soul-stain-armor/ , or deal damage on wearer's death a la tokendb.com/token/charm-of-the-urchin/ -- though with higher numbers for a modern-day UR)
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < SUPER FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 1 month ago #52

David Zych wrote:

Kusig wrote: Are we going to see a lot of undead touch attacks in 2024 and 2025 or will this basically just be +2 Cloak of Resistance 99% of the time? I think we go back to the Wings of Wrath and just let it stay that way.


I'm with Kusig; Wings of Wrath was something cool and different in the back slot, but this cloak is just not interesting. If I were a newbie looking for a UR cloak, I'd skip this and shop the secondary market for either a Lucky Cloak or a Butterfly Cloak instead.

IMO a more interesting Death Knight Cloak would incorporate some beneficial effect triggered by death (perhaps heal on monster's death a la tokendb.com/token/cadaver-charm/ , or heal on allies' death a la tokendb.com/token/soul-stain-armor/ , or deal damage on wearer's death a la tokendb.com/token/charm-of-the-urchin/ -- though with higher numbers for a modern-day UR)


Oooo death knight wings, upon a killing blow reset to 1HP and + 10 AC for 1 round ( self rez and makes them harder to hit giving a chance to heal )
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < SUPER FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 1 month ago #53

Jeff Martin wrote: How about this for the Cloak? I am going to go with this one unless folks hate it. It seems like confusing than the weird "attack a flying monster 1/game as a Melee attack" power. This will probably only be grabbed by newbies, but it has a nice look and flavor to it.

Thanks for your patience.


So, the UR Death Knight Cloak gets +2 to Saves and Undead Touch Attack immunity and the UR Charm of the Ancients gets +1 to Saves and 3 h.p.? How about at least +2? Seems reasonable to me. :-)
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < SUPER FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 1 month ago #54

PirateSean wrote:

Jeff Martin wrote: How about this for the Cloak? I am going to go with this one unless folks hate it. It seems like confusing than the weird "attack a flying monster 1/game as a Melee attack" power. This will probably only be grabbed by newbies, but it has a nice look and flavor to it.

Thanks for your patience.


So, the UR Death Knight Cloak gets +2 to Saves and Undead Touch Attack immunity and the UR Charm of the Ancients gets +1 to Saves and 3 h.p.? How about at least +2? Seems reasonable to me. :-)

I kinda see death knight wings, not cloak, needs kinda like bone dragon wings and if the effect is the same, needs to have set bonus beyond the 3 piece.
Shield ( 4 classes ) ( same 3 as CA + 1 )
Wings ( All )
Boots ( All )
Gauntlets ( All )
Chest Mail ( 10 )
Chest Armor ( 3 )
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Barbarian, Cleric, Fighter, Dwarf Fighter, Paladin: 5 set
Bard, Druid, Ranger, Rouge: 4 set

This is a set that had built up over a few years ( 2021, 2022 and now 2024 ) we can add more in the future such as helm and blade making it a max 7 piece set. I think for a UR set, it’s one that many can get on the cheaper side, enjoy set effects and outside Monk and our 2 Wizards, most can enjoy this. We can put in a staff or skull “ rings “ ( not actual rings but the monk would put it on like a glove with skulls over the knuckles like brass knuckles )
It’s actually kinda exciting expanding on this set and having something that all classes can get in on
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < SUPER FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 1 month ago #55

Wings of wrath could be added to the Ancients set instead. It would give more flexibility for folks to get the set bonus (the +1 level).
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < SUPER FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 1 month ago #56

Jeff Martin wrote: How about this for the Cloak? I am going to go with this one unless folks hate it. It seems like confusing than the weird "attack a flying monster 1/game as a Melee attack" power. This will probably only be grabbed by newbies, but it has a nice look and flavor to it.

Thanks for your patience.


I think this would need a bit of a boost, undead touch effects come up very infrequently and in the Back slot this will be competing with a lot of tokens with abilities which are always useful rather than situationally useful. How about +2 to saves and +2 to STR in keeping with the rest of the Death Knight set?
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < SUPER FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 1 month ago #57

Iross wrote: [How about +2 to saves and +2 to STR in keeping with the rest of the Death Knight set?


I would use that.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < SUPER FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 1 month ago #58

Some other options:
What if the Death Knight Wings are sharp?

+2 STR, +5 retribution (Darkrift)
Or
+1 STR, + 1 Saves, +4 retribution (Darkrift)
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < SUPER FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 1 month ago #59

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For the cloak how about something like "+2 saves, ignore retribution damage" that power hasnt been available since the original shirt of shielding and has come up a lot in VTD


For an additional set power how about something like 6 death knight pieces Grant's the death knight sub type (whatever we decide to make that do, maybe retribution could apply to ranged)


Over all I live the design of the cloak since it will let non heavy armor hedgehog players access the DK sets initial retribution bonus.
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2024 Ultra Rare Token Images < SUPER FINAL IMAGES ! 1 year 1 month ago #60

Death Knight Cloak looks good.
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