TOPIC: Let's talk Loki - Spoilers

Dave wrote: My plan will be to rewatch the first 5 episodes going into episode 6.

That is an intriguing idea as well.

Well, I think it’s official that Loki blows the doors off of falcon and the winter soldier

Re: League of Lokis. Old Loki in his 616 Golden Age suit, young Loki (Ikol?), and black Loki (which is new to me) looks like his hammer is made from a piston and an I-beam.

Does everyone that gets pruned end up in the same place? Odd that the goal would be to just remove them from the game board instead of killing them outright.

Brokkr wrote: Re: League of Lokis. Old Loki in his 616 Golden Age suit, young Loki (Ikol?), and black Loki (which is new to me) looks like his hammer is made from a piston and an I-beam.

Does everyone that gets pruned end up in the same place? Odd that the goal would be to just remove them from the game board instead of killing them outright.

I think the credits said Boastful Loki, Young Loki and Classic Loki (and croc or alli Loki as well).

I suspected that the staff weapon might not erasure prune folks, but I was thinking it might just reset them in a way that they could then be used by the TVA. Maybe the Loki's have found a way to interrupt that?....dunno.

jedibcg wrote:

Brokkr wrote: Re: League of Lokis. Old Loki in his 616 Golden Age suit, young Loki (Ikol?), and black Loki (which is new to me) looks like his hammer is made from a piston and an I-beam.

Does everyone that gets pruned end up in the same place? Odd that the goal would be to just remove them from the game board instead of killing them outright.

I think the credits said Boastful Loki, Young Loki and Classic Loki (and croc or alli Loki as well).

I suspected that the staff weapon might not erasure prune folks, but I was thinking it might just reset them in a way that they could then be used by the TVA. Maybe the Loki's have found a way to interrupt that?....dunno.

This was my thought as well. I want to go back and see if the guy that was 'pruned' in front of young Sylvie shows up as a TVA employee in an earlier episode.

balthasar wrote:

jedibcg wrote:

Brokkr wrote: Re: League of Lokis. Old Loki in his 616 Golden Age suit, young Loki (Ikol?), and black Loki (which is new to me) looks like his hammer is made from a piston and an I-beam.

Does everyone that gets pruned end up in the same place? Odd that the goal would be to just remove them from the game board instead of killing them outright.

I think the credits said Boastful Loki, Young Loki and Classic Loki (and croc or alli Loki as well).

I suspected that the staff weapon might not erasure prune folks, but I was thinking it might just reset them in a way that they could then be used by the TVA. Maybe the Loki's have found a way to interrupt that?....dunno.

This was my thought as well. I want to go back and see if the guy that was 'pruned' in front of young Sylvie shows up as a TVA employee in an earlier episode.

Maybe they "fake prune" someone in front of everyone that comes before them, as a motivational technique. Afterwards they just retrieve them from wherever they were sent.

I didn't go back to check the first episode, but I was wondering if that was the same guy Loki saw. There's also an awful lot of queue space in that processing room, though that might just be the 1960s/'70s bureaucratic aesthetic the TVA is going for.

Any guesses on Slyvie's Nexus Event? The only thing we see her doing is playing so I wonder if it's her being happy. No "Glorious Purpose" so others can achieve the best versions of themselves.

Brokkr wrote: I didn't go back to check the first episode, but I was wondering if that was the same guy Loki saw. There's also an awful lot of queue space in that processing room, though that might just be the 1960s/'70s bureaucratic aesthetic the TVA is going for.

Any guesses on Slyvie's Nexus Event? The only thing we see her doing is playing so I wonder if it's her being happy. No "Glorious Purpose" so others can achieve the best versions of themselves.

There is just weirdness in the fact that she exist. They go on about sacred timeline not timelines. Unless the multiverse is supposed to have 1 sacred timeline across the multiple universes....I don't know doesn't make a lot of sense. Though I thought in the first episode they clearly said the timelines fought against each other not the multiverses fought. So maybe she was just a Loki from another multiverse.

Since the TVA is untrustworthy though, I don't know that she had to have an nexus event. Whomever is running the TVA (if anyone is) could be just attempting to protect themselves and they have seen that Loki's in general are threat to their existence....which they are it seems. TVA wants rule and order. Lokis are about choas. That would explain why so many of their prunings have been Lokis, which they have mentioned previously.

Random theory. What is they TVA is/was/will be created by a Loki? This Loki is a true variant of Loki, not in the sense that the TVA uses the word but in the sense that this Loki is unlike any other Loki in that they want order. So they know the best way to do so is to 'prune' all other Loki's from the multiverse. Slyvie says something like the universe wants chaos. Which I reminded me of Jurassic Park's "Life finds a way."

jedibcg wrote:

Brokkr wrote: I didn't go back to check the first episode, but I was wondering if that was the same guy Loki saw. There's also an awful lot of queue space in that processing room, though that might just be the 1960s/'70s bureaucratic aesthetic the TVA is going for.

Any guesses on Slyvie's Nexus Event? The only thing we see her doing is playing so I wonder if it's her being happy. No "Glorious Purpose" so others can achieve the best versions of themselves.

There is just weirdness in the fact that she exist. They go on about sacred timeline not timelines. Unless the multiverse is supposed to have 1 sacred timeline across the multiple universes....I don't know doesn't make a lot of sense. Though I thought in the first episode they clearly said the timelines fought against each other not the multiverses fought. So maybe she was just a Loki from another multiverse.

Since the TVA is untrustworthy though, I don't know that she had to have an nexus event. Whomever is running the TVA (if anyone is) could be just attempting to protect themselves and they have seen that Loki's in general are threat to their existence....which they are it seems. TVA wants rule and order. Lokis are about choas. That would explain why so many of their prunings have been Lokis, which they have mentioned previously.

Random theory. What is they TVA is/was/will be created by a Loki? This Loki is a true variant of Loki, not in the sense that the TVA uses the word but in the sense that this Loki is unlike any other Loki in that they want order. So they know the best way to do so is to 'prune' all other Loki's from the multiverse. Slyvie says something like the universe wants chaos. Which I reminded me of Jurassic Park's "Life finds a way."

Yeah, as much as I'm loving the show, I haven't quite wrapped my head around the sacred timeline theory. Most of these Loki variants were adults. If a variant Loki (like Sylvia) were born, wouldn't they be pruning the timeline shortly after they were born and not after they were adolescents or adults? It seems like any variant of Loki would be pruned the second they varied. It might be one of those things that it's best not to think about it too hard.

I chuckled at the replay of George McFly and Lorraine


Also what if the enchanted guard is a variant Maria Rambeau. Dying from cancer seemed like a loose end in Wandavision. What if they swiped her to prevent a nexus event

The guy in the check-in room struggling with the TVA agent was not pruned just put in a chokehold. I saw an Easter egg video that indicated he was the same guy (with shorter hair and a fluffier mustache) that was watching the timeline screen at the end of Episode 3 when all the bombs went off.

So far, my general understanding is that there are little changes and quirks in the timeline but those don't cause any lasting variance. Mobius mentioned that stepping on a leaf wasn't going to create a new timeline.

My rough understanding of Sylvie is that Loki, especially as a child, was even more gender fluid and probably shifted into and out of different personas growing up. In the movies they implied baby Loki could permanently transform itself as a sort of reflex - like taking on the warmer skin tones and becoming less frost giant when touched by Odin. So I suspect that given what we know about differences in history that Loki learned about the valkyries or something and just became a girl right then. The regular Loki grew out of this and reverted to a boy form. The Sylvie version leaned more into this identity, maybe going on and on about being a valkyrie to the point where they sat her down and told her she wasn't really Asgardian but was adopted. They may have played up how she could become a hero if she wanted - she certainly seemed to react strongly to the guy being choked later. Anyway, she probably went out to play on the balcony and dreamt of being a hero. And because a Loki couldn't "become a hero" or even "be told they were adopted" a variance was created and the TVA showed up. After that Sylvie didn't get the magic training (probably would have been the teen years) and was so traumatized from being ripped from her home she lost the ability to transform. And/or she became locked into this identity of being the hero that has to bring down the horrible bureaucracy. I think there's more to the background of the characters than what they have time to show, but the above kind of covers why they might have cut that timeline at that particular point.

The other Loki variants shown earlier seemed to be ones where Loki achieved something, and going to the Tour de France and being the fan that knocked a bunch of cyclists over was OK, but winning it was "wrong". Fighting Hulk was OK, but becoming a Loki-Hulk was "wrong".

So you go to food trucks every day and you start really liking the one with tacos. On the second or third day you haven't really changed anything important. You ate some food and it didn't have much consequence. On the fifth day you've established an ongoing pattern and you diverge from the true timeline where you just kind of randomly choose a truck. So it may not be about doing a particular thing, but developing a pattern over time. Just a thought.